Suggestion Don't allow Promotion Forums

Discussion in 'Community Matters' started by Ghost, Mar 14, 2019.

  1. Ghost

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    I have a bold suggestion.
    Do not allow competing forums (promotion forums) to market their website on ForumPromotion.

    Exceptions:
    • Marketing / SEO / Internet forums allowed
    I am suggesting this because it does not help our community here for members to be going to competing forums and spending time earning points & buying packages there. It is much better to stay in one place. It actually benefits us all. If everyone sticks to one promotion forum, we can get more views on our websites, more advice, and have a better community.

    I am making this suggestion because I asked myself, "Why in the world have so many people made promotion forums?"
    There has always been people making new forums for promoting forums, including myself. I got one to around 3,000+ posts & it was fun, but it never compared to ForumPromotion and I even had to pay people FP$ to promote their own forum on my website at the time. There's been countless attempts, and some have even be successful. Pandaa made ForumHour years ago and I can honestly say that was the only promotion forum besides FP that I enjoyed. Most other attempts have failed, and even ForumHour does not exist anymore.

    I think people make promotion forums because they enjoy their time here and they think it's easy, but the downfall for them is that forums are less active than in the past, less forums are being made on a yearly basis, and so they let their forums disappear. For that reason, I think many users are hesitant to join new promotion forums because they worry it won't even be around that long - and often they're correct.

    So, for all of those reasons I suggest that FP makes it against the rules to promote a forum that is solely dedicated to promoting forums. I'm not talking about forums with marketing sections. Tech websites with a section dedicated to creating forums should be allowed... but forums that are pretty much a duplicate of FP with posting packages, cash exchanges, reviews, etc should not be allowed. I think it will be a bold move that helps the FP community and encourages members here to make a more unique forum if they want to build something that they can promote on FP. I often wonder if some of the people making promotion forums would do so if they were not allowed to share it on FP. I think they may look at the niche as an easy thing to market on FP, and if it wasn't - they might make something different.

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  2. Marc

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    I don't have time to read all of the points you mentioned but I strongly agree with this. That and ditch the discord chat. Keep the activity centered in the forum and don't divide the community in parts where some might die down or eventually be sold.
     
  3. Bluezone777

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    Not likely as competition pushes people to out do themselves and to not let themselves stagnate because outside forces are pushing them forward whether they want to move themselves forward or not. This board does not have any viable competition and has since stagnated as a result which has benefited no one at all. Right now, most people are sticking to one promotion forum not because of they chose to but because they have no viable alternatives to FP and I don't see where the "more views, more advice, or better community" is to be found because of it.
     
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  4. Aaron

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    I'd be very surprised if this was put into place. It's an advertising forum for anything..... so long as it's not adult content and I highly doubt people will have porn on their advertising forums so it is within the rules?

    I'm also pretty sure FP has always allowed advertising forums well since I've been here anyway.
     
  5. Ghost

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    Well yes, that's why I'm suggesting they change the rules. It's always been this way, and I think it's time to change it. I just don't see a reason that FP staff would want to help out a competitor. I understand that it helps other site owners promote their site, but would it not be better for everyone to rely on FP?
     
  6. Jerlene

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    We help promote websites, all websites. We can't ostracize promotional forums just because they are similar to ours. The good thing is that there is a good chance that we are more established than any promotion forum that is being promoted on here.
     
  7. Aaron

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    Throughout my time here I really haven't seen a competitor except maybe a couple of other forums but they're more webmaster forums rather than purely promotion forums. A lot of these promotion forums only last a week.
     
  8. Azareal

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    It's probably not worth the time and effort to slap down overly restrictive rules.

    Promotion forums haven't really been hot since, well, forums were all the rage.
    No one is really going to sink a significant amount of time or resources into a pure forum promotion site in 2019 unless they're already established or a fool.

    It's largely leaves kids trying to try their luck or are otherwise bored and will probably close down in a week or so. And to be honest, if not for the domain name, it would probably be far more prudent to diversify FP into a general admin site than a promotion one.
     
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  9. overcast

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    I have to agree. Anything directly competes with you using your own resources, eventually buries you down. Natures rule. Any admin blog and forum that uses FP's resources will surely hurt FP back once it becomes strong.
     
  10. Azareal

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    So, you're proposing banning admin sites too then? This is quickly starting to fall down the slippery slope.
     
  11. overcast

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    My observation on TheAdminZone forums tells me what I was referring. You can make up your own opinion and claim it as non-slipper-slope fact.
     
  12. Azareal

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    The Admin Zone buys up every competitor they can find and merges their posts and users in. If you ban webmaster based sites, I'm leaving.

    I've always been fond about being able to casually talk about competitors or for people to have the chance to diversify their promotion efforts more without some sort of over the top protectionism forcing them to use FP.

    Even at MyBB, it is not unusual for people to talk about NodeBB, Discourse, etc.
    People aren't terrified of this notion of people fleeing. Also, you're not going to get anything in the way of real admin talk here, not anymore.
     
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  13. overcast

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    Leaving is your choice.

    OP has just made a suggestion. It's the owners call at the end.

    OPs points are valid. People here are using package system to grow their own competing forums while leaving FP dry contributing nothing back in the end. I mean look around instead of technical discussion, all that we see on forums these days is forum games like battles and some games type threads or something that does not add much value. While FPs services are being used to build quality threads for technically free of cost.

    That is how downfall looks like. Banning competitors is hardly going to cause any damage to already spiraled system.
     
  14. Azareal

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    Not that long ago (a few months ago in-fact), I was having discussions with people about Argon2 vs Bcrypt, etc. as-well as having people showing interest in topics like web security.

    Now, we're just playing the same old game where interesting discussions get buried and I largely just have to rehash the same old things like Cloudflare, etc. to get any momentum in a discussion.

    This place is a desert for real development and administration discussion. It's largely promotion now.
    What are we even going to do here? Teach people what SEO is for the thousandth time?
     
  15. overcast

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    So FP is supposed to be forum where people post one liner battle thread response, vote for sites with one liner post and hurt and heal threads so that they can get enough FP points and promote the competing sites? And then use Jayson and other Package team to build competing sites? LOL. I don't mind this forum is not my property but OP has a valid point that FPs resources are being used for building competitors. No amount of denial can change that part.
     
  16. Azareal

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    Do you know the real reason the staff aren't really posting on here as much? It's likely burn-out again. They were fairly active not too long ago, but considering that you just turned up here the other week and supposedly have all the answers...

    And building competing sites? By doing what, blasting five low quality posts with usernames anyone can recognise (I immediately bounce, if a site is predominantly "Jason" on a site with just the owner and 50 posts)? Get real.

    These posts aren't going to be anything remotely new compared to the practically same posts people have posted on here a thousand times over.
     
  17. overcast

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    I was here when Cyberfreak and Fergal used to be part of the forum. Looking at your own forum count, I am damn sure you don't know them. So I hope you are not that ignorant about someone you see with their new profile and assume things about them.

    Just so you know you not being part of any forum or blog or site after seeing package team members posts, does not affect any site. It's not like your presence is that valued and neither is your opinion. You seriously need to step down from the high horse of whatever you think you are and learn to see POV of others.

    Not true. Activity makes a lot of difference if the package team makes threads or content on blog that gets traffic. You have to step down from your own high horse to see how it works though. Regurgitating your own experience over and over and claiming it as facts does not count as any change to web nor it helps any site. Even one good thread can make difference in sites traffic. I have seen that and instead of listening to your opinion I'd rather experiment with that.
     
  18. Azareal

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    Maybe. But you literally just appeared out nowhere the other week, do you dispute this? Were you here a month or last year? Experience of recent trends is very valuable in this situation. Folks like Empire, Jason, etc. might have things to highlight as they've hung for a pretty long time at this point.

    And I was here when Fowler used to be a part of the forum, but that's ancient history.
    The promotion / admin sites die out in a week and are never heard of again.
    Sometimes, they last a bit longer, but they never really take off.

    Is this really that controversial of an opinion? Dozens of people used to say that all the time.
    You would literally get more activity from creating an alt and making a bunch of threads. And you wouldn't have to pay FP for the privilege or have to deal with limitations on how many times you can order the thing.

    Make no mistake, packages have a very strong benefit for FP as a whole.
    They get people to come here and they help bolster long-term relationships, but let's not pretend it's the end all and be all that will launch the "next FP".

    Actual competitors to FP (if we count every big admin forum) tend to be too prideful to promote themselves on here anyway.

    Sorry to anyone else, if I'm a little argumentative, overcast pushes my buttons. I've said my piece.
     
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  19. overcast

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    So?Why should I care that in context of how you see me on this forum? I am sticking to topic in hand, your elitist jibe and attitude towards others replies has nothing to do with how many years one is been on this forum.

    Again your opinion. Not a fact. I don't want to point out it as a logical fallacies for the sake of increasing length of this discussion. Stick to point instead of opinions, show facts.

    1. Alts or not, traffic matters and then revenue. So your opinion on alts or stuff is irrelevant. Nobody cares what you think of using alts for traffic and threads.
    2. If competitors use package with fictional currency and add nothing back to FP, it does affect forums.
    3. Actual competitors to FP (take example of adminzone, are extremely strict. and in fact they implement OP's suggestion in a way or other.
    4. Don't put your attitude of elitist opinion throwing as my fault of pushing your buttons. You quoted my replies to lecture your unhelpful opinion as if you are earning 1Million through forums experience. I don't give such elitist opinion. I stick to what I know.
     
  20. xXInfectedXx

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    So your saying to only ban webmaster Promotional forums? Are other promotional communities okay

    I see no issues and this should not be implemented