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Refunds would be the best option in that case, but the thing is the current FP$ and the devalued FP$ how it is not worth it more long term or a more valuable FP$? I think it should be an obvious answer, but I have also paid for FP$ in the past and I don't care to lose it. I rather have a stronger valued FP$ over how it is now any day.
that's not going to work, I mean those people that sold it are way way gone as karanv mentions
That's kinda impossible. Some people have bought FP$ from other people who haven't visited the forum for years. And it's up to the person who have sold the FP$.
Anyway as we speak there are new exchange policy and rules regards this.
And one of the things with FP$ is that I really don't have much to spend it on,
That's always been an problem since the start, it's good for those that are new members as they need it for there new site but what members also do allot that they buy FP$ rather then working at getting there FP$ but that has chnage now
 

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If the reason we can't reset FP$ is that people who are "way gone" and haven't visited in years bought some of it for real money, why exactly is that a concern? I see the intent of being ethical, but you've got to weigh the benefits with the costs. As someone who until this weekend hadn't posted since the switch to XF (at least), I can say I would not care one bit if I logged in and saw my FP$ was reset. So be it. Use it or lose it. You shouldn't have bought so much FP$ if you weren't going to use it right away in my opinion. The benefit of a reset outweighs that cost, so you can restructure the earning and spending power of the currency to reflect what FP offers today, not when it was founded.

I will add, however, that resetting FP$ is only one step in the process. The staff need to truly revamp the currency system - including re-doing services, exchanges, and other things FP$ can be spent on and really thinking about how much is earned by posting and other means so there can be some balance and system to what is currently madness.
 
The main problem I've had with the whole post exchange thing (not the packages provided by staff) was the quality. People don't give a toss. You arrange to do a 10/10 with someone or whatever the case may be. You go to their forum and post 10 good posts that adds value to their site, they turn around and post 10 one liners that no one cares about. (I had one ongoing exchange with someone via PM, but that was different ;) )

There should be some sort of reward system in place to help with that. If someone makes genuinely decent posts, perhaps they get a badge of some sort on their profile to let people know that they're a quality poster. It would also encourage people entering into these bargains not to just spam around to meet that post quota.

There has been nothing in place up until now to make that exchange feature worthwhile for admins. My/Our forum is active enough. It's not in need of posts to boost post count, it's in need of posts with discussion value. I would actually have a thread in that section if I saw the value in it. I see 0 value in spammy posts for the sake of posting the number asked for. I just think that a proper system in place could make FP even more valuable to people as a whole. If you get them making proper post exchanges, it might bring more people around much more often, and not only that, more posters of better quality that stick around. :)

I've been inactive around here for a while, but it's nothing FP did wrong. I've just been spending a hell of a lot more time outside in that beautiful weather... while trying to give our own forum at least a little of my attention. XD.

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"...resetting FPS chain of posts"
That has a simple solution, actually. Leave $FPS alone, and introduce something of more value like emeralds (or something) alongside it that can only be used on certain "advanced" services and resources. This way, you don't upset the guy with 10k+ FPS who might have put a lot of time in here up to this point. Can't avoid the fact that a reset might feel like punishment to some.
 
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The main problem I've had with the whole post exchange thing (not the packages provided by staff) was the quality. People don't give a toss. You arrange to do a 10/10 with someone or whatever the case may be. You go to their forum and post 10 good posts that adds value to their site, they turn around and post 10 one liners that no one cares about. (I had one ongoing exchange with someone via PM, but that was different ;) )

There should be some sort of reward system in place to help with that. If someone makes genuinely decent posts, perhaps they get a badge of some sort on their profile to let people know that they're a quality poster. It would also encourage people entering into these bargains not to just spam around to meet that post quota.

There has been nothing in place up until now to make that exchange feature worthwhile for admins. My/Our forum is active enough. It's not in need of posts to boost post count, it's in need of posts with discussion value. I would actually have a thread in that section if I saw the value in it. I see 0 value in spammy posts for the sake of posting the number asked for. I just think that a proper system in place could make FP even more valuable to people as a whole. If you get them making proper post exchanges, it might bring more people around much more often, and not only that, more posters of better quality. :)

I've been inactive around here for a while, but it's nothing FP did wrong. I've just been spending a hell of a lot more time outside in that beautiful weather... while trying to give our own forum at least a little of my attention. XD.

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"...resetting FPS chain of posts"
That has a simple solution, actually. Leave $FPS alone, and introduce something of more value like emeralds (or something) alongside it that can only be used on certain "advanced" services and resources. This way, you don't upset the guy with 10k+ FPS who might have put a lot of time in here up to this point. Can't avoid the fact that a reset might feel like punishment to some.
Thanks for the feedback! This is exactly the problem that we’re looking to solve with the new Trader Feedback system (see the announcements section).

This system will help in two ways. First, members will be able to look at each others’ exchange feedback to see whether they’re going to make good posts. Second, members will know that they will receive feedback, so hopefully will do better knowing that.

Your suggestions here are really good ideas though. We’ll be looking into ways to reward people who have a significant quantity of positive feedback. That could include some kind of badge on their threads or profiles to call attention to their high feedback scores.
 
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I really like @Geoffrey's idea of a banner rotation system. This is something that I looked into doing when we first moved to XenForo, but I was told that it would require quite a bit of dev work. I'm not a developer, so I really don't know. I've always thought that FP's problem is that when you promote on FP, you're only promoting to one audience (the "FP Crew", if you will); however, if we could make a way for us to expand that, it would make promotion leaps and bounds above what it is right now.

I don't think an FP$ reset is a good idea, but I also don't really see a better alternative at this point. Doing some form of a redefinition of FP$ would be interesting, but I don't think that would work too well. It would be rather confusing for most people to explain why their previous 6k FP$ is now worth enough to buy two packages. :p Making services more expensive would only decrease the amount that new members could do. I think removing the buy/sell rule will help the uselessness of FP$, but I'm unsure if it will solve it. I guess that's a conversation to have in six months after we gauge this rule's impact. Just my two cents, anyway.
 
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I like, and am mildly amused by, @Shannon Apple's idea of keeping FP$ as is and introducing a second, more premium currency on top of that. Long term it's not a viable set up, but it does quiet the folks who are too attached to their mounds of FP$ and remove the issues surrounding the inflation.

@John - regarding the rotation network, perhaps you could launch it with a few partnerships with other established boards that are pre-added to the rotation to increase exposure. This would serve multiple purposes: It means you launch the service with an existing base of people to see the ads. It creates advertising opportunities for FP itself, along with the partner sites. And as more sites start to use the service post-launch, the base grows.

I'd say most sites have at least two incoming sources of traffic, with FP being one of them, but another being from some other promotion board, social media, search results, or some other method that the admin uses. A good site would of course have much more than two, but I think two is a safe bet for a minimum. That means on every site using the service, there's at least a handful of members seeing FP's ad (and the ads of all other sites) that wouldn't otherwise see an ad bought on FP in some othe service. That's a pretty good selling point to use in marketing, which can also bring in new members here if you do your due diligence in promoting this new service to other corners of the internet.
 
A banner rotation is quite simple actually. We've had one on our site since day one. New image every time you reload. We used to have the same on our vBulletin forum where the community would submit entries to banner contests. Setting it up here for advertising purposes shouldn't be all that difficult.

As for the "premium" $FPS, was definitely suggesting it alongside a premium set of services rather than combining it with the existing feature. If you make $FPS too hard to obtain, you'll find that people will just not bother. Different strokes for different folks and all that. As it stands, I don't find that I have an abundance of $FPS and never had. On the odd occasion, I've been gifted some by staff for making a good post here and there, but that's seldom. Usually earned through posting only. Some people have gathered lots of it by selling their spamming services. That's where improving the quality of that exchange service might actually level it out. If people expect better posts, then these spammers will be making less posts and spending more of their time writing good content for their $FPS. Making it harder, will cheapen the service because of these people. I'm of the opinion that the FPS should be left as it is for post-only services.

As for these "emeralds" (just calling them that for clarity) there are separate possibilities. Here are rough ideas that probably need tuning and there are probably more ideas that they could be used for:

1. Make them so that you can't actually buy or exchange them and are solely tied to your contributions to the site. Your posts in designated helpful areas of the site. Maybe staff can add 1 emerald to your count by upvoting/liking a good post eliminating the "you scatch my back and I scratch yours" possibility there.

2. How about getting rid of the system that randomly displays people's sites along the bottom of the forum when they post. Replace it with a system where you can pay for a fixed time to have your site appear with your "emeralds."

3. What about these community skins and resources, could they be used to buy those?

4. Maybe pay people in these emeralds for writing articles.

5. Give them away in competitions.

If it's a completely seperate system that offers a completely separate set of rewards, I don't see how it couldn't work out in the long term.
 
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If you make $FPS too hard to obtain, you'll find that people will just not bother.
I don't really bother posting for FP$, posting gives next to no FP$ and the currency wasn't particularly useful to begin with.
I suppose, I could trade my entire FP$ pool for a two week advert, but that really wouldn't have much of an impact, so I don't really bother.

And to be honest, I'd sooner just give you the money to put an ad up than lower myself to spamming sites for a few months.
I just treat FP as an admin site to talk about administration and the like with other people, the currency hasn't been relevant to me in a long time.
 
If you make $FPS too hard to obtain, you'll find that people will just not bother.
I don't really bother posting for FP$, posting gives next to no FP$ and the currency wasn't particularly useful to begin with.
I suppose, I could trade my entire FP$ pool for a two week advert, but that really wouldn't have much of an impact, so I don't really bother.

And to be honest, I'd sooner just give you the money to put an ad up than lower myself to spamming sites for a few months.
I just treat FP as an admin site to talk about administration and the like with other people, the currency hasn't been relevant to me in a long time.
You or I might readily just hand over money. Although the forum linked in my signature isn't actually mine. I am one of three admins, custodians if you like and one of the others holds the keys to the community funds. I don't have the luxury of making the decision to spend that money. XD. There is a win:win surrounding forum currency though imo, especially in the case of young admins who might not have the money. They post, generates activity for the rest of us, they get their FPS to use on things. Without activity, the place becomes stale, and it has happened at times.

I enjoy posting on FP, which is why I stuck around. Helping others since I have so many years in this game... and learning new things too... is kinda refreshing. Only reason I stuck around actually. The members here are always super nice... most of the time haha.

That said, we do have a unique situation with our forum. It's the remnants of a 16 year old community on a new much tinier site, some new members too. Over the past 2 years, I've ordered staff run packages. They DO add value to our site because while they don't bring in new members, they give our existing members something new to talk about. That's worth a lot. I must give the package team here credit where credit is due. :)
 
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@Shannon Apple You described my life in the post exchange section.

My forum got to a point where we no longer needed exchanges because we had enough active members. I did, however, continue doing topic exchanges. I found they still added value and got rid of a lot spammers because they had to either think of a thread or not accept the exchange at all. On top of that, a lot of sites you'd exchange with were small / new, so you'd have to make new threads for them anyway. Made those less one-sided, at least in my experience.

I'm any case I'm hoping this trader feedback cuts down on some of those spammy exchanges because that could have saved me time when I was doing them.
 
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Choose random sponsored forums each week and advertising space raffles for x period of time would be neat also. Perhaps a leader-board of different community genres by ranking and specify the uniqueness of each community through short descriptions within the boards. Just some thoughts off the top of my head, good-luck with the improvements! :)
 
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If the reason we can't reset FP$ is that people who are "way gone" and haven't visited in years bought some of it for real money, why exactly is that a concern?
I think he means, the people who purchased $FP from a user who is now long gone. Such as myself. Some of the $FP I purchased are from users who are no longer around, so a refund is no option.

That has a simple solution, actually. Leave $FPS alone, and introduce something of more value like emeralds (or something) alongside it that can only be used on certain "advanced" services and resources. This way, you don't upset the guy with 10k+ FPS who might have put a lot of time in here up to this point. Can't avoid the fact that a reset might feel like punishment to some.
Bringing in a new "improved" currency would just diminish the value of $FP completely. Would still feel like a reset, but just hiding behind a new currency.

Like I stated in the other thread:
"People keep saying that the $FP is in some sort of "State". You have to remember that $FP has been alive for over a decade! Of course, there is going to be quite a bit of $FP in the system now! The problem is just nothing to spend the $FP on!

If you really want to fix the problem, think of creative ways to spend $FP. Create some "Sink Holes" that richer users might find lucrative to spend a lot of $FP at once."
 
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I'm going to reply to the quote below here to not derail the FP$ Reset topic, and because my response is very much related to "Improving FP" and fits well with the broad purpose of this topic.

@Donald J Trump Even though I voted to say no I do agree to you also! But you can't keep talking like trump does and evolved around what politics does.
To be rather honest, it is quite annoying.
I want to first say that I am happy that a Community Team Member (@DylRicho) posted this and called out the Donald Trump-impersonating user in the other thread. I'm also glad that the conversation continued briefly on the next page with that CT member redirecting the user to the debate forum only and then an admin (@Joshua Farrell) further acting on the situation.

I must say, the trolling - and it is trolling - from the Trump impersonation is annoying and discouraging activity. It's not about politics and being republican or democrat or whatever. It's about the fact that the user is constantly making posts throughout the forum impersonating the president, acting in his manner, etc. and it's not contributing to the discussion. And while they were redirected to the debate forum, it's also distracting and trolling there. I've no issue with someone debating Trump-like or pro-Trump ideologies and policies, despite personally disagreeing with them, but to come into any thread - in the debate forum or elsewhere - and impersonate the president and act as if you are him constantly (or anyone else) is ridiculous. It shouldn't be allowed.

I recently came back here and started being active again, after seeing the ownership and other staff changes. I was enjoying the forum again and liked being regularly active. However, once I realized the trolling that was occurring as described above, it became very discouraging. It's become impossible to have any discussion in any forum because this user is constantly inserting themselves into any conversation and derailing topic after topic. Action needs to be taken and I suggest a name change for the user in question needs to be made.

And before it's said in a rebuttal, I'd be saying the same thing if this was a Hillary R. Clinton or Bernie Sanders account or any other politician or controversial person. It's not about who the person being impersonated is, it's about the derailing of topics and trolling that is occurring. I will add, however, that Trump (the real one) and the MAGA slogan stand for ideologies and policies that intentionally discriminatory and problematic towards many protected classes - many of which exist here on FP. Allowing this behavior to continue is acting in complete disregard for the humanity of those members.

If you want to improve FP, this is fine place to start.
 

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I 100% agree with @Geoffrey here. Impersonation shouldn't be allowed. In fact, it's illegal in most states :)

I think that if a rule is created, it should extend to not impersonating anyone of significance. Regardless if it's political or not. This could simply be a famous person.

If you want to be "TheRockFan24" that's fine, but trying to pass as "Dwayne Johnson" shouldn't be allowed.

It shouldn't have even ever gotten this far. In the sense that, admiring someone is fine, but once it starts to be a trolling/flaming issue that also disrupts the forums or goes off topic on several occasions, something needs to be done. I don't even go into most sections anymore due to these. I stick to my Marketplace :)
 

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Hi @Geoffrey and @Jordan,

Thank you for communicating your concerns to us. Since this matter concerns another member, we prefer not to discuss the specifics on this thread. If you have any questions or further concerns, please feel free to send me or another admin a PM.

Thanks,
Matt
 
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Let's get this back on topic, guys. :)

This topic was created to help improve FP; it instead turned into a fest of name calling, endless political talk, and overall off-topic batter. At the end of the day, if we really want FP to succeed, we need to brain storm ideas and debate each other about the future of FP. There are obvious places to do other things, and I personally welcome y'all to use those places.

Personally, as someone who's been an admin before as well as a member for a while now; I'm very happy to see that Cameron has bought the forum, and the admin team is so willing to respond to feedback. For the first time in a while, we've been able to initiate changes on FP. Topics like this are essential to FP's future, since we need to know where our community stands on certain issues. If certain people continue to derail this thread from its purpose like this, nothing will be gained, and we'll lose the current momentum that we have. The purpose of this topic is to gauge member interest in different ideas, and so that everyone can speak their peace of what they would like to see on Forum Promotion.
 

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Honestly I think the main thing is just that forums are no longer that popular of a communication platform; facebook groups and reddit have really taken over, unfortunately. Back in '09 FP was getting like 1,000 posts a day but there were just way more people running, and using, forums. The site is far from dead though so there's always some incremental improvements that can be made.
 
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Honestly I think the main thing is just that forums are no longer that popular of a communication platform; facebook groups and reddit have really taken over, unfortunately. Back in '09 FP was getting like 1,000 posts a day but there were just way more people running, and using, forums. The site is far from dead though so there's always some incremental improvements that can be made.
FP Has came back, over the last weeks with Cameron as an new owner and the old team is also came back it has picked up. Allot of old members are now here and posting around
 
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