Alcohol - more harmful than other drugs?

NBK*Twitch said:
Snobothehobo said:
Gimgak said:
... although I've found that ignorance and hate against those in poverty is linked so its understandable.
The most curious thing is that there is little to no evidence that suggests that drug use among those who receive welfare is significantly higher than the general population.
Actually a study in Florida done by the ACLU Florida branch suggests there is little to no drug use who use welfare. It should be noted this was done back in 02 though.
Also, it's curious that conservatives INSIST that most women on welfare have children every single year so they can continue receiving benefits when the average family on welfare has about 2.3 members, and only one in ten families on welfare has more than three children. Also, the majority of people on welfare have been on it for less than two years and are in and out of the workforce.

We're slightly off-topic, though. :lol:
 
Gimgak said:
NBK*Twitch said:
Actually a study in Florida done by the ACLU Florida branch suggests there is little to no drug use who use welfare. It should be noted this was done back in 02 though.
Are you saying that the republicans are lying when they say that all people on welfare are drug fiends who collaborate with Osama (RIP) and peddle their children on the streets for more drugs?
Yes... yes I am :lol:
 
What you saying is a bit unfair
I was on Welfare as you call it and a single mum,
I have never done drugs neither has my children, all my children have done very well at school and my eldest daughter is a married with children my eldest son owns his own garage
My youngest daughter is studying Law as well as working my youngest son is training to be a chef until he joins the Royal Navy and works part time for a charity here in the UK
 
:lol: this is a bit off topic but "Osama rest in peace!?!?" He deserves to be dead!

Anyways back on topic. I'm not sure what runs through people's brains these days. I think they think drugs are going to "enhance" their life but it does the complete opposite.
 
Rocky said:
:lol: this is a bit off topic but "Osama rest in peace!?!?" He deserves to be dead!

Anyways back on topic. I'm not sure what runs through people's brains these days. I think they think drugs are going to "enhance" their life but it does the complete opposite.
Well I mean that's not really on topic, I mean these drugs do enhance life, take a look at a kid with ADHD who can't do well in school and can't function in society, then when he is dosed with a tiny amount of what is essentially legal speed each day he is a normal functioning member of society as for unknown reasons drugs like this or methylphenidate correct the quirks in their brain. There are millions of Americans who treat their ADHD, far greater than the amount of meth heads out there while they use the same drug, just in different quantities. Meanwhile, I have yet to find a positive use for alcohol. It's a downer but it doesn't even help you relax all that well, surely not an effective way to enjoy downtempo or trip-hop and I see no other reason to take downers.

Oh yeah...
I like to add humor and obscure references in my online arguments, some people say that life on a whole is serious and nothing is funny yet that's only if you base your life around competition and money. Osama (RIP) is just to hyperbolize that post, same as me mentioning downtempo music as a reasonable excuse for taking downers when it most certainly is not, although if by perchance you do get high I really recommend listening to some Boards of Canada, amazing duo no matter what state of mind you're in 😉
 
Gimgak said:
Rocky said:
:lol: this is a bit off topic but "Osama rest in peace!?!?" He deserves to be dead!

Anyways back on topic. I'm not sure what runs through people's brains these days. I think they think drugs are going to "enhance" their life but it does the complete opposite.
Well I mean that's not really on topic, I mean these drugs do enhance life, take a look at a kid with ADHD who can't do well in school and can't function in society, then when he is dosed with a tiny amount of what is essentially legal speed each day he is a normal functioning member of society as for unknown reasons drugs like this or methylphenidate correct the quirks in their brain. There are millions of Americans who treat their ADHD, far greater than the amount of meth heads out there while they use the same drug, just in different quantities. Meanwhile, I have yet to find a positive use for alcohol. It's a downer but it doesn't even help you relax all that well, surely not an effective way to enjoy downtempo or trip-hop and I see no other reason to take downers.

My youngest has ADHD and has taken nothing for it I changed his diet which worked for him as I did not like what I was hearing from reports in America about the side affects of the drug they were given their children with ADHD
 
fiona1964 said:
My youngest has ADHD and has taken nothing for it I changed his diet which worked for him as I did not like what I was hearing from reports in America about the side affects of the drug they were given their children with ADHD
It's good that drugs are not necessary for some and I do think that they should be used as a last resort, just like anti-biotics. However everyone reacts differently and in some cases these drugs are the best way to help kids with ADHD.
 
I wasn't talking about those kinds of drugs. I was referring to drugs such as weed, marijuana, etc... the drugs that get you sick. People think they'll enhance their life but it actually does the opposite.
 
Rocky said:
I wasn't talking about those kinds of drugs. I was referring to drugs such as weed, marijuana, etc... the drugs that get you sick. People think they'll enhance their life but it actually does the opposite.
Oh lord here we go....

Weed and marijuana are for one the same thing. Second... it is not a drug... it is a natural herb.

Third it does have enhancements and is a great herbal medicine which has been used for 100's of years.

Many studies have been done by that prove weed is great for treating

Chronic Pain, Insomnia, Arthritis, ADD, and much more. Not to mention it is also used to help Cancer patients want to eat.

Also ask yourself this... when is the last time you heard of someone overdosing on weed? You haven't because there is not known case of overdosing on weed.. There are however many cases of overdosing on alcohol,meth, heroin,morphine, etc..

Drugs are things like Heroin,Meth, Cocaine,PCP, etc..
 
Rocky said:
I wasn't talking about those kinds of drugs. I was referring to drugs such as weed, marijuana, etc... the drugs that get you sick. People think they'll enhance their life but it actually does the opposite.
Dude, trust me. The only difference between prescription drugs and street drugs is the quality, they are the same drug, one is simply produced by a billion dollar company and needs to be purchased at CVS, the other at your friendly local meth lab. I recommend you learn a bit more about drugs before you make posts as specifying weed and marijuana as different "drugs" is just... well I'll leave it at that. Marijuana isn't a drug, it's a plant. It's the THC that is the drug (as well as some other compounds), something that does not always exist in notable amount in hemp plants and depends on the strain.
 
I think it can be very harmful, although only if used improperly.
It can cause people to do many irrational things, which is definitely the most dangerous part of it. Way too many people have been killed by drunk driving, it is just getting way out of hand.
When my father would get drunk, he would become very violent and threatening, I would actually fear for my life. (However, after he saw 19 year olds extremely drunk two years ago... he has since stopped or just doesn't drink that much).

Fortunately for me, I do not like alcohol and do not want any part of it... so I would never have to worry about acting irrational or drunk driving on my part.
 
You have a better chance comming off heroin alive than you comming of alchohol
 
Hey, its like this...anything you do in excess is bad for you. Breathing to much can eventually make you hyperventilate and pass out.

Even excess masturbation will affect your health at some point. So yea, keep everything under moderation and you will be fine.
 
Yes, Alcohol is more harmful than other drugs. Its poisonous for human health and it kills drinkers slowly. So, its the enemy of health and life.
 
It's easily more addictive. And easier to get since it's legal. And it also is a gateway into drugs for many addicts. So yes, I feel like it is potentially harmful. But then again, so is a knife, or a gun.
 
Gimgak, perhaps you will find this of interest:

Alcohol: Exempt From Due Scrutiny?

There is no denying, that at this point alcohol is indeed an ingrained part of Australian society. While we are taught to steer clear of many things due to the ‘health risks’ involved, it seems for some reason alcohol will always be met with an overall assessment of being ‘okay in moderation‘.
Undoubtedly it seems there is a major double standard, and one that indeed fails to make any sense at all. The danger that alcohol poses, to our society, to family life, the health of the individual, to crime rates etc. is no secret, and is well publicised. So why is it, that social norms seem to continually condone and even a lot of the time encourage it’s consumption despite it’s myriad of negative consequences?

There is a common misconception defense for alcohol, and that is that it in ‘moderation’ holds great health benefits. The most repeated of those probably being that it may help to ward off certain types of heart disease, and the risk of a heart attack, also one’s risk of a stroke, or diabetes. But for some reason the risks, despite by far outweighing the possible benefits, don’t seem to be mentioned nearly as often. They are known to include, to name a few, a wide variety of cancers, brain shrinkage, liver damage, pancreatitis, miscarriage/birth defects – and all of this is ignoring the accidents that may and often do come of drunken behaviour.

On the topic of accidents occuring due to drunken behaviour. According to The Alcohol Education & Rehabilitation Foundation, the total cost of misuse of alcohol is now $36 billion annually. Which, really does put the argument against banning alcohol being in our nation’s best interests (due to the taxes it does indeed raise) into perspective, as undoubtledly the estimated financial cost of alcohol related incidents is largely due to yearly hospital and law enforcement expendature.

The figures, in relation to alcohol related violent crime are just as shocking. According to an Australian Drug Federation an estimation of 41-70% of violent crimes in Australia have been linked to the consumption of alcohol. Also, close to half of all homicides have been labelled as alcohol-related.

Further to this, as we know, we have a big problem with drinking driving on our hands. The worst part of this is that it effects everyone on the road, drunk or sober and indeed is putting everyone at risk. According to the TAC Victoria, in 2009 alone 42 Victorians were killed on our roads with a blood alcohol reading of .05 or over. And to add to this, on Victorian roads over 4,000 people were caught by the Booze Bus with a reading of over .05 (and personally, I don’t even want to imagine how many people aren’t caught.)
So again, what is this ‘moderation’ we are taught about by parents and high school health teachers?
Can it be defined? Or is it relative to the person?
Is there such a thing as responsible drinking? Or is it an excuse?

All in all, I think my views are obvious. While alcohol is a large part of Australia’s ‘cultural indentity’, it is simply due to the excuses made for it by society and insufficient education on the whole. The risks of alcohol, and it’s damages are all too overshadowed with an utterly nonsensical approval and even encouragement for all to partake.

We are raised in a society, where this is indeed a norm from the very beginning. And unfortunately, that seems to have come with a blind spot that is ultimately resulting in increasing detriment.

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