Jesus isn't God as such, but I belive that Jesus was God personified as a human, who came to Earth to set an example and do God's work. And yeah, The Bible states that The Holy Trinity is one, so there are many ways of looking at it.
Sam! said:Jesus isn't God as such, but I belive that Jesus was God personified as a human, who came to Earth to set an example and do God's work. And yeah, The Bible states that The Holy Trinity is one, so there are many ways of looking at it.
Donald Baker said:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Gospel of John 1: 1-5
I think this pretty much explains who Jesus is.
Saruman said:A bellief in something that is not physically observable is a religion.
Though I have experienced the supernatural there will always be those ignorant individuals claiming foul,
when all they seek is proof in every facet of life before something becomes a reality to them.
😎
Intervention said:God created the heavens and the earth. Jesus didn't. Jesus sacrificed himself to forgive everyone's sins.
If you go find a bible around your house, please read John 3:16
I know the Trinity
Father/Son/the Holy Spirit
The Hat Tipper said:Yes, I trust it fully. I know he is 🙂
Okay tell me one verse where it says Jesus is God.dotDavid said:Intervention said:God created the heavens and the earth. Jesus didn't. Jesus sacrificed himself to forgive everyone's sins.
If you go find a bible around your house, please read John 3:16
I know the Trinity
Father/Son/the Holy Spirit
You've interpreted that incorrectly. Just because it doesn't literally say "God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit create the heaves and the Earth...", it doesn't mean Jesus isn't God. Jesus was the human form of God and thus is God.
Like you said, the Trinity is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and they are a whole. You can't break them or separate them.
Also, I don't understand how those who seem to know the Bible have stated that Jesus isn't God. It says it in the Bible that Jesus and God are one so I don't see why you are against written evidence.
Mokeli said:Okay tell me one verse where it says Jesus is God.dotDavid said:Intervention said:God created the heavens and the earth. Jesus didn't. Jesus sacrificed himself to forgive everyone's sins.
If you go find a bible around your house, please read John 3:16
I know the Trinity
Father/Son/the Holy Spirit
You've interpreted that incorrectly. Just because it doesn't literally say "God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit create the heaves and the Earth...", it doesn't mean Jesus isn't God. Jesus was the human form of God and thus is God.
Like you said, the Trinity is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and they are a whole. You can't break them or separate them.
Also, I don't understand how those who seem to know the Bible have stated that Jesus isn't God. It says it in the Bible that Jesus and God are one so I don't see why you are against written evidence.
GooseDennis said:If you have a Bible around your home, turn to John 1:3.
"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
Alternatively, turn to Genesis 1:26.
"Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.'"
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV
* "Clearly, historians of Church dogma and systematic theologians agree that the idea of a Christian trinity was not a part of the first century Church. The twelve apostles never ascribed to it or received revelation about it. So how then did a Trinitarian doctrine come about?
* It gradually evolved and gained momentum in the late first, second and third centuries as pagans, who had converted to Christianity, brought to Christianity some of their pagan beliefs and practices. Trinitarianism then was confirmed at Nicaea in 325 by Church bishops out of political expediency" (Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille, Arian, Leader of The Way International, Jesus Christ is Not God, p. 25-26) "
* Long before the founding of Christianity the idea of a triune god or a god-in-three persons was a common belief in ancient religions. Although many of these religions had many minor deities, they distinctly acknowledged that there was one supreme God who consisted of three persons or essences. The Babylonians used an equilateral triangle to represent this three-in-one god, now the symbol of the modern three-in-one believers." "The Hindu trinity was made up of the gods Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. The Greek triad was composed of Zeus, Athena and Apollo. These three were said by the pagans to 'agree in one.' One of the largest pagan temples built by the Romans was constructed at Ballbek (situated in present day Lebanon) to their trinity of Jupiter, Mercury and Venus. In Babylon the planet Venus was revered as special and was worshipped as a trinity consisting of Venus, the moon and the sun. This triad became the Babylonian holy trinity in the fourteenth century before Christ." "Although other religions for thousands of years before Christ was born worshipped a triune god, the trinity was not a part of Christian dogma and formal documents of the first three centuries after Christ." "That there was no formal, established doctrine of the trinity until the fourth century is a fully documented historical fact." "Clearly, historians of church dogma and systematic theologians agree that the idea of a Christian trinity was not a part of the first century church. The twelve apostles never subscribed to it or received revelation about it. So how then did a trinitarian doctrine come about? It gradually evolved and gained momentum in late first, second and third centuries as pagans, who had converted to Christianity, brought to Christianity some of their pagan beliefs and practices." (Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille, Arian, Leader of The Way International, Jesus Christ is Not God) "The doctrine that Jesus Christ the Son of God was God the son was decreed by worldly and ecclesiastical powers. Men were forced to accept it at the point of the sword or else, Thus, the error of the trinity was propounded to the end that ultimately people believed it to be the truth.
Thus Christianity became in essence like Babylonian heathenism, with only a veneer of Christian names." (Victor Paul Wierwille, Forgers of the Word, 1983)
Come back when you learn grammar.Mokeli said:God made man Jesus is man God did not remake himself in A human body for your info and on top of that God is talking about Adam.
Versus Where it tell Jesus Is not God:
John 14:28 - Jesus says, "The Father is greater than I."
* "Clearly, historians of Church dogma and systematic theologians agree that the idea of a Christian trinity was not a part of the first century Church. The twelve apostles never ascribed to it or received revelation about it. So how then did a Trinitarian doctrine come about?
* It gradually evolved and gained momentum in the late first, second and third centuries as pagans, who had converted to Christianity, brought to Christianity some of their pagan beliefs and practices. Trinitarianism then was confirmed at Nicaea in 325 by Church bishops out of political expediency" (Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille, Arian, Leader of The Way International, Jesus Christ is Not God, p. 25-26) "
* Long before the founding of Christianity the idea of a triune god or a god-in-three persons was a common belief in ancient religions. Although many of these religions had many minor deities, they distinctly acknowledged that there was one supreme God who consisted of three persons or essences. The Babylonians used an equilateral triangle to represent this three-in-one god, now the symbol of the modern three-in-one believers." "The Hindu trinity was made up of the gods Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. The Greek triad was composed of Zeus, Athena and Apollo. These three were said by the pagans to 'agree in one.' One of the largest pagan temples built by the Romans was constructed at Ballbek (situated in present day Lebanon) to their trinity of Jupiter, Mercury and Venus. In Babylon the planet Venus was revered as special and was worshipped as a trinity consisting of Venus, the moon and the sun. This triad became the Babylonian holy trinity in the fourteenth century before Christ." "Although other religions for thousands of years before Christ was born worshipped a triune god, the trinity was not a part of Christian dogma and formal documents of the first three centuries after Christ." "That there was no formal, established doctrine of the trinity until the fourth century is a fully documented historical fact." "Clearly, historians of church dogma and systematic theologians agree that the idea of a Christian trinity was not a part of the first century church. The twelve apostles never subscribed to it or received revelation about it. So how then did a trinitarian doctrine come about? It gradually evolved and gained momentum in late first, second and third centuries as pagans, who had converted to Christianity, brought to Christianity some of their pagan beliefs and practices." (Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille, Arian, Leader of The Way International, Jesus Christ is Not God) "The doctrine that Jesus Christ the Son of God was God the son was decreed by worldly and ecclesiastical powers. Men were forced to accept it at the point of the sword or else, Thus, the error of the trinity was propounded to the end that ultimately people believed it to be the truth.
Thus Christianity became in essence like Babylonian heathenism, with only a veneer of Christian names." (Victor Paul Wierwille, Forgers of the Word, 1983)
Mokeli said:God made man Jesus is man God did not remake himself in A human body for your info and on top of that God is talking about Adam.
Versus Where it tell Jesus Is not God:
John 14:28 - Jesus says, "The Father is greater than I."
* "Clearly, historians of Church dogma and systematic theologians agree that the idea of a Christian trinity was not a part of the first century Church. The twelve apostles never ascribed to it or received revelation about it. So how then did a Trinitarian doctrine come about?
* It gradually evolved and gained momentum in the late first, second and third centuries as pagans, who had converted to Christianity, brought to Christianity some of their pagan beliefs and practices. Trinitarianism then was confirmed at Nicaea in 325 by Church bishops out of political expediency" (Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille, Arian, Leader of The Way International, Jesus Christ is Not God, p. 25-26) "
* Long before the founding of Christianity the idea of a triune god or a god-in-three persons was a common belief in ancient religions. Although many of these religions had many minor deities, they distinctly acknowledged that there was one supreme God who consisted of three persons or essences. The Babylonians used an equilateral triangle to represent this three-in-one god, now the symbol of the modern three-in-one believers." "The Hindu trinity was made up of the gods Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. The Greek triad was composed of Zeus, Athena and Apollo. These three were said by the pagans to 'agree in one.' One of the largest pagan temples built by the Romans was constructed at Ballbek (situated in present day Lebanon) to their trinity of Jupiter, Mercury and Venus. In Babylon the planet Venus was revered as special and was worshipped as a trinity consisting of Venus, the moon and the sun. This triad became the Babylonian holy trinity in the fourteenth century before Christ." "Although other religions for thousands of years before Christ was born worshipped a triune god, the trinity was not a part of Christian dogma and formal documents of the first three centuries after Christ." "That there was no formal, established doctrine of the trinity until the fourth century is a fully documented historical fact." "Clearly, historians of church dogma and systematic theologians agree that the idea of a Christian trinity was not a part of the first century church. The twelve apostles never subscribed to it or received revelation about it. So how then did a trinitarian doctrine come about? It gradually evolved and gained momentum in late first, second and third centuries as pagans, who had converted to Christianity, brought to Christianity some of their pagan beliefs and practices." (Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille, Arian, Leader of The Way International, Jesus Christ is Not God) "The doctrine that Jesus Christ the Son of God was God the son was decreed by worldly and ecclesiastical powers. Men were forced to accept it at the point of the sword or else, Thus, the error of the trinity was propounded to the end that ultimately people believed it to be the truth.
Thus Christianity became in essence like Babylonian heathenism, with only a veneer of Christian names." (Victor Paul Wierwille, Forgers of the Word, 1983)
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