Pirate Party UK is Official

[Van1lla ™]

So if you dont believe in morals and right and wrong can i mug you? After all stealing means nothing to you. Or maybe i can come into your house and steal things, if you say thats wrong then this whole argument you have brought up is a contradiction.

 

[ℓєσ gнσѕт]

So if you dont believe in morals and right and wrong can i mug you? After all stealing means nothing to you. Or maybe i can come into your house and steal things, if you say thats wrong then this whole argument you have brought up is a contradiction.

1) I didn't bring up an argument, you guys did by disagreeing with my thoughts.

2) I have my morals, they just differ in certain areas. For example to me downloading isn't stealing, and the courts agree because you are SUED, not tried as a criminal (as all accounts of "theft" are).

Copyrights can only be ’stolen’ if the actual rights are taken by someone. That is, if the person who owns the right has the right taken from them by someone else. That is also why copyright cases are not theft cases, although cases treated as such would actually be better, as criminal cases have a lot fewer of the problems identified in part 1, as we have also pointed out in the past. It would also significantly reduce the penalties. As Prof. Lessig pointed out in Free Culture (Pg 190), under California law the biggest penalty for stealing a CD is $1,000 – for infringing the copyright of that same CD it’s $1,500,000 (assuming 10 tracks).

It isn't theft, don't call it that.

 

[Gimgak]

Really, do people see a difference with downloading music illegally to tape recording things on the radio? Most people wouldn't be bothered with that really, would they?

 

[katy perry is hot]

Really, do people see a difference with downloading music illegally to tape recording things on the radio? Most people wouldn't be bothered with that really, would they?

Yes. There is a big difference.

To put a song on the radio, the artist is paid by the radio station in royalties 🙂

 

[Rich Edmonds]

Artists get hardly anything compared to the record labels. Some Artists produce music and release it for free, there are a few good open source music websites around, Jamendo being one of them. I remember the days of the radio when it was really popular for ripping songs, use a tape player or the built in tape recorder on your system. That's almost the same as downloading a track right? I can not and will never see the problem with downloading music, the industry needs to change and we are forcing them to do so.

 

[ℓєσ gнσѕт]

Really, do people see a difference with downloading music illegally to tape recording things on the radio? Most people wouldn't be bothered with that really, would they?

Yes. There is a big difference.

To put a song on the radio, the artist is paid by the radio station in royalties 🙂

So the station pays the 1 time fee for the song, much like the original buyer in a P2P network...? :shrug:

 

[Expired Account 2]

Really, do people see a difference with downloading music illegally to tape recording things on the radio? Most people wouldn't be bothered with that really, would they?

Yes. There is a big difference.

To put a song on the radio, the artist is paid by the radio station in royalties 🙂

So the station pays the 1 time fee for the song, much like the original buyer in a P2P network...? :shrug:

The meaning of he word 'owned' comes to mind there Irviding...

 

[gqgk]

Not going to last. A pirate party will never hold a parliamentary majority or even be close to get the premiership.

first off, they dont need majorty to get seats, and they dont need a majority of their party to get in. politics is crooked. eventually more people will get in. its not like the US. the US will never have more than 2 major parties because of the voting system. the UK however isnt like that. their voting encourages small parties to become important in government. so it could take over more than you really think

 

[katy perry is hot]

gqgk, every single English member here have laughed at the idea of the pirate party getting into Parliament, and since you're not from the country, I think it's best to leave it to them.

 

[ℓєσ gнσѕт]

gqgk, every single English member here have laughed at the idea of the pirate party getting into Parliament, and since you're not from the country, I think it's best to leave it to them.

However they are but a small sample of the end product. Keep in mind that in the systems we use today a single person's ideals means nothing, it's what the group thinks is best that prevails. If the larger group pirate as much as 8,000+ songs, doesn't that mean the group has already made their mind? The choice has been made, now whether the Pirate Party will be voted in or not I can't say. However the laws will be changed at some point to make it legal, as I said, the choice has already been made by the new generation.

 

[Expired Account 2]

gqgk, every single UK member here have laughed at the idea of the pirate party getting into Parliament, and since you're not from the country, I think it's best to leave it to them.

Just like to correct you there my friend... Also I'm Welsh, that's in the UK, not England, and I have not laughed at the idea and many of my friends and people I know that are from the UK (and England) Support the Pirate Party.

 

[gqgk]

gqgk, every single UK member here have laughed at the idea of the pirate party getting into Parliament, and since you're not from the country, I think it's best to leave it to them.

Just like to correct you there my friend... Also I'm Welsh, that's in the UK, not England, and I have not laughed at the idea and many of my friends and people I know that are from the UK (and England) Support the Pirate Party.

see. FP is a tiny sample. instead look at a large sample. dont tell me people laugh at them because they dont. you should learn how different voting systems work and why the pirate party will grow because of the way their voting system is set up. they dont need a majority to get voted in like the US

 

[katy perry is hot]

Actually, yes they do. They need a majority to really get any of their things passed through Parliament.

 

[gqgk]

Actually, yes they do. They need a majority to really get any of their things passed through Parliament.

but they dont need a majority to get in. once your in you can work deals. politics is corruption. its a single policy party. so they may say i'll vote for this is you vote for piracy. welcome to politics

 

[katy perry is hot]

The point is no one will vote for piracy unless they're a part of the pirate party. It's not just about corruption it's about re-election and public approval.

 

[ℓєσ gнσѕт]

The point is no one will vote for piracy unless they're a part of the pirate party. It's not just about corruption it's about re-election and public approval.

As I stated, teenagers in general (the leading percentile anyway) find it socially fine to pirate. Once our generation takes over.... public approval won't be an issue.

 

[katy perry is hot]

Well, teenagers are ignorant as to the fact that quality of movies and other media ( not songs ) will go poor.

 

[gqgk]

The point is no one will vote for piracy unless they're a part of the pirate party. It's not just about corruption it's about re-election and public approval.

please take the next day to study how the whole voting system works over there. it does not take a majority of the vote to reach parliamentary office.

 

[katy perry is hot]

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It would take a majority of people from this pirate party in Parliament, for them to achieve the Premiership and take power. You're spinning my words around to make me look stupid 🙂

 

[gqgk]

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It would take a majority of people from this pirate party in Parliament, for them to achieve the Premiership and take power. You're spinning my words around to make me look stupid 🙂

no it wouldnt. they just need to have people in there that can make deals. its a one goal party. they work by negotiating votes with other parties. for example, they go up to a party leader and say i'll vote for this if you vote for piracy. they say, ok great, we needed votes for this. i'll let my party know we have your support. now they have the majority of a large party supporting them as well. this is how politics work. "you can have your way if you support my way." so therefore they dont need a majority.

and i really dont need to spin your words when its exactly what you say 🙂