Where are the real mean people SJWs hate so much?

[Jason76]

They're out there and just as mean as the bullies on The Karate Kid. However, SJWs are too concerned with attacking offensive video games.

OK, so can't you all see how this "Boy Cried Wolf" stuff is destroying the SJW movement?

 

[VirusZero]

SJWs themselves are not a movement. The actual term SJW is one used against them. (Alternatively some people use it to mean "social justice whiner" instead.)
SJWs are, in lots of cases, third wave feminists or have been heavily influenced by third wave feminist ideas. Things like identity politics and victim hierarchy, collective guilt, gender fluidity (and/or infinite genders), etc...

As for destroying themselves? Yes and no. SJWs always turn on themselves because they have no loyalty and if you don't follow the accepted ideals exactly they will turn on you. Laci Green is a prime example. She was a feminist youtuber who had the audacity to suggest people listen to the other side and she got attacked by her own "side" for it.
But because they espouse noble sounding goals like fighting intolerance, oppression and injustice they can fool people into following along. Some people just don't realise what they've gotten into and are actually doing until it's way too late. Others just never clue in. Others have a level of cognitive dissonance going on that they just don't see how their own actions are as bad (or worse) than those they claim to be against.

Additionally, because they are almost always politically left wing/liberal they tend to get the negative behaviours glossed over in any media coverage and enjoy a more sympathetic media overall. (Much of the media is left leaning.) This also has a side effect where people don't see how bad these people actually are behaving. Remember for the example of Gamergate that Carlos X mentioned in another topic, the mainstream media portrayed it as a bunch of gamers attacking women... When in fact the true point of gamergate was exposing media corruption/lax journalistic standards and then trying to make them improve. (But that doesn't reflect well on journalists as a whole so naturally they'd want to bury that story.)

 

[Jason76]

Well, the funny thing is they're all in SJW land - while real harassment is taking place in small towns. But they won't never challenge people in those areas - I guess they're too afraid of shotguns !! LOL

 

[VirusZero]

SJWs do exist in real life. Offhand there was one that was harassing a gun store (of all places). But, again, they tend to be more of the problem than anything. They don't actually fix anything. No amount of identity politics will ever make racism go away. In fact it only tends to make things worse as it focuses on what makes people different than what makes them the same. (Dividing people rather than uniting.)

Though in all honesty, I wouldn't be surprised if the amount of harassment and whatnot is pretty minuscule. I mean legitimate cases of racism and sexism in the modern era are pretty rare to say the least. Most of the major ones we've heard about (like the poop swastika) have all turned out to be hoaxes.

 

[Jason76]

I mean legitimate cases of racism and sexism in the modern era are pretty rare to say the least. Most of the major ones we've heard about (like the poop swastika) have all turned out to be hoaxes.

Wrong dude! The do exist - a lot of them. But they all exist in areas where SJWs are too chicken to be seen!

Small towns are a right-wing stronghold - even the cops will pamper bullies - just like they did Emmit Till's day. Well, maybe not something as much as murder, but in that direction.

 

[VirusZero]

Well, if you're so sure then you must be able to provide evidence. I look forward to seeing the evidence.

 

[Jason76]

Well, if you're so sure then you must be able to provide evidence. I look forward to seeing the evidence.

A black man/white woman couple with kids harassed out of my valley, all sorts of mouthing off to people who offend racial taboos. But there's no proof of it. Well, unless a photograph was made of intentional burning of stuff and a white pride flag flown out a window up the road - and also unofficial testimony of the landlord (of the driven out family).

 

[Carlos X]

Wrong dude! The do exist - a lot of them. But they all exist in areas where SJWs are too chicken to be seen!

Small towns are a right-wing stronghold - even the cops will pamper bullies - just like they did Emmit Till's day. Well, maybe not something as much as murder, but in that direction.

They exist, but not in the scale that you see on Twitter/Facebook/Whatever. You see racism on live TV every waking day. You see it every day in news articles. You see it everywhere, the problem is - as @VirusZero alludes to... Racism/Sexism/Marxism/Whatever'ism is being aired on the internet as if it's a bathroom stall with graffitis being sprayed to cast them out.

#MeToo was derailed to bring down people like Bill Cosby, Morgan Freeman, and other 80's icons. With no care as to their present, pre-existing conditions. Cosby is about 80 years old, and they wanted to bring him out in the open and tear his name for what...? Money? Fame? I'm all for fair treatment to Sexual Assault victims, but the problem is that most outrage is fake, most "feedback" is not real, and it really drowns what the actual issue is about - "Me Too" (without hashtags) was supposed to be about women empowering each other to speak out against Sexual Assaults on the job, but it turned into this worldwide feedback against Sexual Assaults. in. general.

It is still a touchy subject, yes it is... but Twitter and other Social Media sites make it so easy to put on those rose-colored sunglasses, and pretend that's how they felt.

I love Twitter/Facebook, however - it's the people that inhabits them that I hate.

 

[fantanoice]

In other words, you prioritise a man's reputation over the lives of women.

Yuck.

 

[Carlos X]

In other words, you prioritise a man's reputation over the lives of women.

Yuck.

Maybe stop reading too much into what I said... and try understanding? Maybe you misunderstood me? Yeah, that one. Maybe I intended something else..? Maybe read it again, and try understanding...?

What it sounds like, is you like SJW's interjecting into everything...? Right? Am I reading that right?

Or just maybe you're lazy to understand a single thing I said?

 

[fantanoice]

Re: Comment from the other thread

I'm glad you don't like men sexually assaulting women. But you're basically saying that because Cosby is now 80 and the assaults happened years ago that it doesn't matter. It does. He should pay for his crimes and the victims should get closure. It doesn't matter how old he is.

 

[Carlos X]

Re: Comment from the other thread

I'm glad you don't like men sexually assaulting women. But you're basically saying that because Cosby is now 80 and the assaults happened years ago that it doesn't matter. It does. He should pay for his crimes and the victims should get closure. It doesn't matter how old he is.

No, quite the opposite. Yeah, if he did the crimes, he should be punished, but why is it relevant today, right now? What is he doing to women that relates to the old crimes? Nothing! This story started because someone either leaked the story, or someone hacked the server, or one of the employees wanted to fish for a new story to tell, that HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CURRENT EVENTS.

(Here's the excerpt from the wiki: "In October 2014, comedian Hannibal Buress played a comedy routine that alluded to Cosby's covert sexual misbehavior. The routine went viral, which caused assault allegations against Cosby to become more public. Many additional claims were made after that date. The dates of the alleged incidents span from 1965 to 2008 across ten U.S. states and one Canadian province.")

So, this controversy was "out of the left field."

He hasn't done anything relevant in recent times, that made this controversy so stupid on so many fucking levels. It's mindboggling me. I don't remember his last box office hit since his own show. Looking at his wikipedia, I don't see SHIT.

In my opinion, if I were the accusers, I would've brought it up anywhere between 1965 to 2008, but it was brought up in 2014. Do you understand what my problem is?

If this is the standard for which sexual assault in the media is set, then I guess might as well bring up sexual assaults from the rest of Hollywood for their own crimes! Not everyone got their controversial moment, just a few.... Do you know why? Cosby was the easy target. He was that easy exploit.

And you know what? Same shit happened with Michael Jackson. He died shortly thereafter. I bet people loved that shit.

 

[fantanoice]

but why is it relevant today, right now?

Because this story still happens today. There are still victims today who are attacked by people with power in their field of work, who are scared into silence because speaking up opens them to ridicule, losing their job, losing their friends, etc. We want the attackers held accountable when it happens, not decades later. We need these stories to get better.

 

[Carlos X]

but why is it relevant today, right now?

Because this story still happens today. There are still victims today who are attacked by people with power in their field of work, who are scared into silence because speaking up opens them to ridicule, losing their job, losing their friends, etc. We want the attackers held accountable when it happens, not decades later. We need these to get better.

Right, but why Cosby? They could have done someone better than that. Weinstein was the perfect poster boy, not Cosby.

His friends told him to stop doing it, did he listen? Nope. He kept doing it. He lost his C.E.O. position, and whatnot.

#MeToo is acceptable today, than ever before, but Cosby wasn't supposed to be there. I bet he was somewhere else, minding his own business, I bet he was not expecting this now. Yeah, you can laugh and say "he had it coming." That's a 80 year old human being. People change. You can act all high and mighty, but one day you'll feel sorry for your words/thoughts/ideas, whatever. It's horrible to wish death on most people. I'll just leave it there, but this whole thing could've been handled better.

#MeToo was a strong movement, a movement that could've just started without tearing stars down.

 

[fantanoice]

"Poster boy?" They're both terrible. Cosby is a convicted sex offender. He deserves to be there as much as any convicted sex offender. Why would I ever feel need to feel sorry for calling a convicted sex offender a convicted sex offender?

 

[Carlos X]

"Poster boy?" They're both terrible. Cosby is a convicted sex offender. He deserves to be there as much as any convicted sex offender. Why would I ever feel need to feel sorry for calling a convicted sex offender a convicted sex offender?

*sigh* I.. Whatever. I don't think you understand the problem. We're just going in circles because you just don't understand.

How would you like it when we argue, and I argue with you from out of nowhere on another day? That's what this is.

So cosby made mistakes in the past, leave him alone, and let him make peace with whatever demons awaits him. The Media, to me, is stupid as a whole. They fish for stories that have nothing to do with what's going on right now, only to bring a person that hasn't been in the news in decades just to make money. Perfectly funny to you. It's not funny to me, because I wouldn't want someone to fight with me for no reason from out of nowhere.

 

[Bluezone777]

I hardly call drugging women and having sex with them while they were unconscious as a mistake. He knew exactly what he was doing and used his name and power to silence anyone from speaking out and for a while it worked but the false facade of being a wholesome good man that he built up for himself over the years crumbled like they always do. His age doesn't change what he did nor should it effect the punishment as the punishment is geared around the crime not the person committing it like it should be. I am quite certain if he wasn't sickly and old that he would be still doing it today if he wasn't put away for it. The fact his age and state of health make committing the crime no longer possible for him changes nothing.

 

[Carlos X]

I hardly call drugging women and having sex with them while they were unconscious as a mistake. He knew exactly what he was doing and used his name and power to silence anyone from speaking out and for a while it worked but the false facade of being a wholesome good man that he built up for himself over the years crumbled like they always do. His age doesn't change what he did nor should it effect the punishment as the punishment is geared around the crime not the person committing it like it should be. I am quite certain if he wasn't sickly and old that he would be still doing it today if he wasn't put away for it. The fact his age and state of health make committing the crime no longer possible for him changes nothing.

You weren't there, so don't assume. The media likes to distort the truth, so do not take the media's word so much. I doubt Cosby saying "guilty" is because it actually happened. I think he said it just to drop all charges, drop all incoming reports, drop all incoming requests, and just drop the issue entirely. When a lawyer tells you "just take the deal," just do it. Because if someone else comes forward and says "I lied," it changes everything about the case. As a lawyer, you rethink things, and go back to the case all over again. That model that I just linked to a few posts back? [This one.] That negates everything. I always knew people do things for fame or money. That story for me, proves why the justice system is broken. Nobody is double checking facts, claims, and just rush to judgement.

How do you think "no name" porn star came forward to talk about Donald Trump having an affair with her? Money! Next thing you know, the same lawyer that represents her, is talking about running for president!

That's why I never believe anything.

However, the point that I was making this whole time, is as with Cosby, when you make a false claim like saying he raped you, you're not just destroying his career, you're destroying his life. And even if those people lied, backtracked their comments, you know what? It's. too. late. You already damaged his future, you already gave him heart attacks, you already gave him problems, you already destroyed his life. That sex offender "title" is on your record, so you can't get a job, you can't get new credit, nothing. People don't realize these consequences.

O.J. got the same thing, and yet, he's back on TV. Talking about the case all over again, if I were him, I'd shut up about the case. However, at the same time, there's good news: Nobody's taking notice of O.J. Everyone just, forgot about him.

 

[Jason76]

I see what @Carlos X is saying - but I would say that all the accusations don't have equal merit. Cosby's is horrible and we can't discount it. However, though, Freeman is just being a guy - being naughty like a guy - but nothing psycho.

 

[Azareal]

I see what @Carlos X is saying - but I would say that all the accusations don't have equal merit. Cosby's is horrible and we can't discount it. However, though, Freeman is just being a guy - being naughty like a guy - but nothing psycho.

What did Freeman do? Did he molest someone? I haven't been keeping track of that.