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In my view, it's not fair when one person dictates whether one can or cannot have a baby.

I believe that ultimately it is the choice of the mother, so bogus laws being formed to dictate to her what her morals should be, are unnecessary, and simply a desecration in proper family planning.

First of all, whether a fetus is a living being with rights, is completely irrelevant because for 9 months, it is essentially a parasite. It relies on the mother as a host, and its life is literally her's to decide. It's her body.

I also really hate the idea that women want abortions to escape some sort of responsibility, or because they did not use protection, that they do not deserve the right to choose. The only thing that should matter is whether the woman wants to develop and raise a child.
 
Well i have experienced abortion first hand because an old girlfriend had one. I told her that if she ever got pregnant that she WILL have an abortion. Well she got pregnant, had an abortion and told me a couple of months after she did it. I got really upset because if she would have told me she was pregnant I might have changed my mind about the whole abortion thing. There is nothing I can do about it now. So I guess im undecided about the whole thing. If the mom doesnt know who the dad is; thats a whole different story then I guess its up to her.. But in a normal scenario: I think the potential dad and mom should have a very long discussion about the thing and reach a mutual agreement before doing anything.
 
Ive always said it depends upon the circumstances.

Rape or a baby that will have a short life due to a illness.

it has many factors...and i dont think people should judge.
 
wednesday said:
Ive always said it depends upon the circumstances.

Rape or a baby that will have a short life due to a illness.

it has many factors...and i dont think people should judge.
Why does it depend on the circumstances though? Why shouldn't the women have a choice all around?
 
From my point of view its up to the mum and dad of the soon to be baby. its there choice.

I personaly think that i would not like my wife/ or girlfriend to have an abortion, however if that child would be brought up into crime and death then i think its the right choice. i agree with wednesday, it is up to circumstances
 
I don't believe it's right for a woman to just go off, get pregnant for no reason and with a guy she never knew, and then just say "Ugh, I'm too lazy to consider myself as a responsible mother, so I'll just trash this baby." It's not right. Abortion should be illegal unless a woman is forcibly raped; if she is raped, then that means that the child is not hers, and that she was defenseless against the man responsible for her rape.
 
Rok said:
I don't believe it's right for a woman to just go off, get pregnant for no reason and with a guy she never knew, and then just say "Ugh, I'm too lazy to consider myself as a responsible mother, so I'll just trash this baby." It's not right. Abortion should be illegal unless a woman is forcibly raped; if she is raped, then that means that the child is not hers, and that she was defenseless against the man responsible for her rape.

Do you really think they say " I'm too lazy to have this baby, so I'm going to trash it "? You gotta be kidding me.

Women who have an abortion are traumatized by the entire experience. That is part of the reason why I hate it when people act as if abortion is a casual nonchalant solution for a woman; most of them are tearing themselves up inside for it, they don't need the outward influences of people who have no idea what it's like.
 
As I see it, laws prohibiting abortion clearly violate a universal inalienable right to do what we want with our bodies.
 
Everybody has a choice as to whether they have sex or not, and if you decide to do so knowing full-well that you may become pregnant... that was your choice. You've already made your choice. You must take responsibility for your actions, and that means raising a child in this case.

If we could all take back anything we went through with, what lesson do we learn, really? Future generations, believe it or not, do and will take after us. If we were to get away with stuff like this whenever we wanted, our children would do the exact same thing. It's a turn down the wrong road, in my honest opinion; one bad decision leads to another.

The main argument for pro-abortion is that people have a right to make their own decision. But what about the babies decision? The thing in your womb WILL become a person, yet just because it isn't yet "classified" as human, it doesn't matter if it dies or not? Hell, we treat animals better than that... I don't care whether the argument is "irrelevant" or not when it comes to the fetus' decision, because quite frankly, I see the argument that it's a "parasite" to be irrelevant. This "parasite" will grow to be a baby in a short span of 9 months.

If a mother doesn't want to raise a baby... well, guess what? You don't have to. That's where adoption comes in. There should be no excuse about wanting to raise a child or not, because you don't have to.

It all really comes down to morals, and who it is that dictates these morals. Who is to draw the line between what's right and what's wrong? That's the real problem when it comes to abortion and other cases.

And yes, I do believe that in many cases we should be not be able to make our own decision, whether it's our own body or not. If there's any chance that our actions will harm another life, we should not be able to make that decision. That includes killing an innocent baby (or "fetus").
 
Irviding said:
Rok said:
I don't believe it's right for a woman to just go off, get pregnant for no reason and with a guy she never knew, and then just say "Ugh, I'm too lazy to consider myself as a responsible mother, so I'll just trash this baby." It's not right. Abortion should be illegal unless a woman is forcibly raped; if she is raped, then that means that the child is not hers, and that she was defenseless against the man responsible for her rape.

Do you really think they say " I'm too lazy to have this baby, so I'm going to trash it "? You gotta be kidding me.

Unfortunately this is a common reason for abortions specifically amongst teenage pregnancies.

I don't think it's right, on the other hand I don't think it's wrong. It really depends on the circumstances, like Wednesday said. For example, teenage pregnancies. If a child is going to be born to a mother as young as 16 years old there is no way they'll have the time, energy or finances to fully support the child. Additionally, at the age of 16 I seriously doubt many girls have the parenting skills required to mother a child (no offence to any 16 year old females reading). Another situation I would personally accept abortion is if the parents were likely to be abusive or neglect the child...because if there's one thing worse than depriving someone from living their life - it's child abuse.

Now, on the other hand I feel that everyone should have the right to live their life. Admittedly, the child wouldn't actually know their growth was being aborted, however I still see it as depriving a human being from physically being able to live their life, so is that not murder in a sense?

In summary I have mixed feelings, although generally I think if I had a child I'd want to love and cherish him / her, not look for an excuse to get rid of them.
 
Again- it's not about an excuse to get rid of it.

You also need to consider the fact that, whether its legal or not, it's going to happen.

Wouldn't you much rather we have abortions performed in hospitals/clinics by doctors and trained medial personnel? Rather than having someone beat the womb with a bat, push the woman down the stairs, or have it removed with a knife and killed?

I would.
 
Irviding said:
Wouldn't you much rather we have abortions performed in hospitals/clinics by doctors and trained medial personnel? Rather than having someone beat the womb with a bat, push the woman down the stairs, or have it removed with a knife and killed?
No, because legalizing things like this would essentially make it more widespread and acceptable to kill babies.

It's a shame that people do in fact go that far as to get rid of babies, but that's just something we have to live with. I don't see legal abortions as a way out of having people killed -- we would be killing far more by legalizing abortion.

That's like trying to keep drug addicts and drug distributors out of jail by legalizing crack cocaine. Sure, it's legal now and nobody is in jail because of it... but is it really the best thing to do?
 
Tecca said:
Irviding said:
Wouldn't you much rather we have abortions performed in hospitals/clinics by doctors and trained medial personnel? Rather than having someone beat the womb with a bat, push the woman down the stairs, or have it removed with a knife and killed?
No, because legalizing things like this would essentially make it more widespread and acceptable to kill babies.

It's a shame that people do in fact go that far as to get rid of babies, but that's just something we have to live with. I don't see legal abortions as a way out of having people killed -- we would be killing far more by legalizing abortion.

That's like trying to keep drug addicts and drug distributors out of jail by legalizing crack cocaine. Sure, it's legal now and nobody is in jail because of it... but is it really the best thing to do?

I never said that should be legal, obviously you mistook what I said.

It is a shame, and I agree. So you'd rather live with that happening to babies, rather than live with them be humanely put down?
 
I actually have different opinions on this subject.
There are several situations in which I think you can have abortion but there are also several situations in which you can't have abortion.

When you had unprotected sex and you're pregnant, you should keep the baby because then, you actually know how stupid you were (if it was unplanned).

When you were sexually abused and really don't want the baby, you may have abortion. You didn't want to have sex so that means you didn't want to have a baby and it's not your fault that you got pregnant.

That's my opinion.
 
Champi said:
When you had unprotected sex and you're pregnant, you should keep the baby because then, you actually know how stupid you were (if it was unplanned).
So they should be forced to keep an unwanted pregnancy to ' teach them a lesson ' ? That's ridiculous.
Why would you want to force someone to have an unwanted baby?
 
I am against abortion on so many accounts. Most will argue, “what is she is raped”, I simply say if you believe all children are of god, then you should give birth to that child and give it up for adoption. No one should play grim reaper, as I have said before, no one should decide whether or not someone may live or be killed.
 
Phoenix said:
I am against abortion on so many accounts. Most will argue, “what is she is raped”, I simply say if you believe all children are of god, then you should give birth to that child and give it up for adoption. No one should play grim reaper, as I have said before, no one should decide whether or not someone may live or be killed.

The belief that ' all children are of god ' doesn't belong in our laws though.

Why should you be forced to keep a pregnancy you don't want? Is that really proper?
 
"what if",....it where a 12yr old child that was raped?....would u prefer to destroy two lifes?...
 
My view is that this thing growing inside of a women is not a child it is and unfeeling, unbreathing thing that is just growing and whos whole life depends on the mother and her choices. And a mother will always choose whats best for the thing wheather that be letting it grow and ultimitly live or let it die
 
Irviding said:
Champi said:
When you had unprotected sex and you're pregnant, you should keep the baby because then, you actually know how stupid you were (if it was unplanned).
So they should be forced to keep an unwanted pregnancy to ' teach them a lesson ' ? That's ridiculous.
Why would you want to force someone to have an unwanted baby?

There is a more responsible choice. So you made the choice of having sex and you're paying for the concequences. But how about instead of also making the baby pay (yes it actually breathes in there and has a heartbeat even. and don't say its alive because the mother is keeping it alive because the only reason babies live after they're born is because of the mother. a baby isnt self-sufficient right after being born. its a transition of growing up. i know 13 year old kids that cant make themselves food lol) there should be adoption. there are thousands of families looking for children that cant have them. they would treat it well and with respect and raise it up. that way something good can come out of a bad mistake
 
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