Abortion

Irviding said:
Phoenix said:
I am against abortion on so many accounts. Most will argue, “what is she is raped”, I simply say if you believe all children are of god, then you should give birth to that child and give it up for adoption. No one should play grim reaper, as I have said before, no one should decide whether or not someone may live or be killed.

The belief that ' all children are of god ' doesn't belong in our laws though.

Why should you be forced to keep a pregnancy you don't want? Is that really proper?
if you dont want it dont have sex til your ready. if its rape then we'll talk. but until then you caused it and you can deal with it.

good point Phoenix 🙂
 
It aggravates me when people think women just ' dump the baby '. Do you know how hard it is for the woman to do this? Do you have any idea at all? Or are you just wanting to have control over what someone does with their own body?
There is a more responsible choice. So you made the choice of having sex and you're paying for the concequences. But how about instead of also making the baby pay (yes it actually breathes in there and has a heartbeat even. and don't say its alive because the mother is keeping it alive because the only reason babies live after they're born is because of the mother. a baby isnt self-sufficient right after being born. its a transition of growing up. i know 13 year old kids that cant make themselves food lol) there should be adoption. there are thousands of families looking for children that cant have them. they would treat it well and with respect and raise it up. that way something good can come out of a bad mistake

How is it a more responsible choice?

The ' baby pays ' first of all, it doesn't breathe in there, it's completely reliant of the mothers body to survive. When it's aborted, it feels absolutely nothing at all. It doesn't cry, nothing happens, it just goes away.. that's all.

It's not like there isn't adoption, and while I do agree it's a better choice, it's not right to force woman to bare a child they do not want to bare because you said they have to. Who are we to tell people what they can and can't do with their own bodies?
 
it actually does breathe. trust me. just learned about it. well when a criminal commits a crime they pay for it. when you have sex and you're not ready you pay for it too. and the baby is dependent after its born to. so can you kill it after its born then too? where do you draw a line? it has a beating heart, it breathes, and it has measurable brain activity all before two months. that seems pretty alive to me.

And if its not easy then dont dump it. cause thats all it is. There is very little difference between a mother dropping here baby in a dumpster and leaving it, and having an abortion. both ways a living thing just goes in the trash.

And you're not just doing it to your body, you're doing it to another person's body, one that has everything doctors look for to see if someone is alive, breathing, a pulse, and brain activity.
 
and i hope everyone is accepting enough to not be mad at people who have different opinions 🙂 if someone has a different opinion than me i congratulate them on being intelligent enough to think for themselves
 
I don't have a huge opinion on this. Women have a better idea then men obviously, but i think that Irviding is right that the women should have the choice to abort her baby. I also think that (and don't quote me on this, Its just a rumor i heard 😛) killing or hating someone because they have aborted a baby is also wrong. People have their reasons and people should stay out of other peoples business unless directly affected or brought into the decision making process by the person making the decision.
 
ModInstall said:
it actually does breathe. trust me. just learned about it. well when a criminal commits a crime they pay for it. when you have sex and you're not ready you pay for it too. and the baby is dependent after its born to. so can you kill it after its born then too? where do you draw a line? it has a beating heart, it breathes, and it has measurable brain activity all before two months. that seems pretty alive to me.

And if its not easy then dont dump it. cause thats all it is. There is very little difference between a mother dropping here baby in a dumpster and leaving it, and having an abortion. both ways a living thing just goes in the trash.

And you're not just doing it to your body, you're doing it to another person's body, one that has everything doctors look for to see if someone is alive, breathing, a pulse, and brain activity.

So basically you're equating those who have sex and end up with an unwanted pregnancy as criminals?

The baby is dependent technically on anyone after it's born. A nanny can take care of it, the father can, the older sister, the grandmother, etc- it's only dependent on one person when it's growing, and that's the mother. The whole ' after it's born it's still dependent ' arguement doesn't work.

It only has the potential to be a human being, it's not born yet.

Getting an abortion is dumping a baby? Are you kidding?

Abortion is a humane medical procedure, it's not dumping a baby into a dumpster. Why don't you read up on how an Abortion is performed instead of throwing out radical exaggerations.
 
I dont believe in it if the pregnancy is too far along and there lays the problem, when is it too far?? I know were my breaking point is but another persons could be totally diffrent.
 
First off, I support abbortion.

I don't like it, nobody does, and I wish that no baby would ever die, but in real life it's more than just "do you support killing babies or not?", no, it's much more then that.

I want women to be able to decide. And what about all the variables? What if a teen is raped by her father? What if she wants to just go on with her life?

I am quite offended by many people's statements here. You just think that all women should just suck it up, and have the baby, just to make you feel better? They have lives of their own, they have the right to decide what to do with their life, and while the baby is inside of her it's a part of her life. You guys think so much about unborn babies, that you forget about the women who's lives could be ruined by a baby.

These are people, living people, with real lives. Why do you treat them with such contemt? You have no right, no right to force people let their lives be ruined by a bunch of people who have no idea what they are going through, just so they can sleep better at night.
 
hmmm senario... my dad beats me. i wish it never happened. i'll kill him to get on with life. same thing. its a life problem. so what is it??? if you say you still support fine. everyone can have their opinion. but there is a situation with names substituted. living people with real lives
 
I say kill them all... disgusting parasites.

Like Bill Hicks said.. they aint human until they're in my phonebook.
 
Irviding said:
Rok said:
I don't believe it's right for a woman to just go off, get pregnant for no reason and with a guy she never knew, and then just say "Ugh, I'm too lazy to consider myself as a responsible mother, so I'll just trash this baby." It's not right. Abortion should be illegal unless a woman is forcibly raped; if she is raped, then that means that the child is not hers, and that she was defenseless against the man responsible for her rape.

Do you really think they say " I'm too lazy to have this baby, so I'm going to trash it "? You gotta be kidding me.

Women who have an abortion are traumatized by the entire experience. That is part of the reason why I hate it when people act as if abortion is a casual nonchalant solution for a woman; most of them are tearing themselves up inside for it, they don't need the outward influences of people who have no idea what it's like.
That's not actually true. Depends on the woman. For me, I would think it traumatizing, and I can't really think of any circumstances that would lead me personally to abort. But my mom was friends with a woman who had tons of abortions throughout her life, and she didn't really care about any of them. She went in, got the job done, and went out. Numerous times. No guilt, no second thoughts, if anything she appreciated it. So tis not too traumatizing for all, no. So I think I agree with RoK on this.

And as for life, I really think it depends on the fetus' age. Nine months? In my book, that's most definitely alive. There's a brain, a nervous system, and some range of intelligence. On abortion as a whole, I'm sort of neutral as, as I said above, it depends on circumstance. But a woman should have the option, yes, within reasonable boundaries methinks. I can't say I blame rape victims who abort, though part of me still says tis not the child's fault. Bleh.

A bit torn on the matter. XP
 
Irviding said:
Champi said:
When you had unprotected sex and you're pregnant, you should keep the baby because then, you actually know how stupid you were (if it was unplanned).
So they should be forced to keep an unwanted pregnancy to ' teach them a lesson ' ? That's ridiculous.
Why would you want to force someone to have an unwanted baby?

Because they were the ones that were stupid enough to get pregnant. If the guy doesn't know when to pull out........then he has issues. :lol:

They knew the risks when having sex that it could happen. Now I am not a big fan of abortion but there are times when it is necessary, and there are times when it is not.

I would just say if the girl does get pregnant and is not ready for the full responsibility of raising a child, then she should put it up for adoption to give the baby the love and care it deserves/needs. But wait out for the 9 months to give birth to the baby and not do an abortion. :great:
 
Creativebot said:
Irviding said:
Champi said:
When you had unprotected sex and you're pregnant, you should keep the baby because then, you actually know how stupid you were (if it was unplanned).
So they should be forced to keep an unwanted pregnancy to ' teach them a lesson ' ? That's ridiculous.
Why would you want to force someone to have an unwanted baby?

Because they were the ones that were stupid enough to get pregnant. If the guy doesn't know when to pull out........then he has issues. :lol:

They knew the risks when having sex that it could happen. Now I am not a big fan of abortion but there are times when it is necessary, and there are times when it is not.

I would just say if the girl does get pregnant and is not ready for the full responsibility of raising a child, then she should put it up for adoption to give the baby the love and care it deserves/needs. But wait out for the 9 months to give birth to the baby and not do an abortion. :great:

That's a real great thing to do isn't it? The baby asks years later about it's conception.. " Oh, well the law says that you can't get an abortion and I had you as punishment "

Real great.
 
Well, the mother doesn't have to keep the child if she does not want it. There are plenty of people in the world who cannot have children but would love to have some of their own. If the mother really doesn't want her child, fine. She doesn't have to kill it. She can give it up to someone who wants it.

My two cents for what it's worth. XP
 
BTF said:
Well, the mother doesn't have to keep the child if she does not want it. There are plenty of people in the world who cannot have children but would love to have some of their own. If the mother really doesn't want her child, fine. She doesn't have to kill it. She can give it up to someone who wants it.

My two cents for what it's worth. XP
That's completely and utterly traumatizing to force a woman to carry a child for 9 monthes than throw it away for adoption.

I don't know why you all make women who get abortions out to be murderous scum.
 
Creativebot said:
if the guy doesn't know when to pull out........then he has issues. :lol:

Goodness me I just read this - I think you have "issues" if you think that is a form of contraception :roll: Whoa do not rely on that any of you guys! wear a condom :great:
 
birdy said:
Creativebot said:
if the guy doesn't know when to pull out........then he has issues. :lol:

Goodness me I just read this - I think you have "issues" if you think that is a form of contraception :roll: Whoa do not rely on that any of you guys! wear a condom :great:
Pulling out doesn't work 🙂
 
Abortion stops a beating heart which could be beating next to the heart of an adoptive mother a few months later 🙂
 
When a fetus is aborted, no one is murdered and nothing is lost. 'Souls' are not being destroyed. That is simply a religious belief.
 
Irviding said:
When a fetus is aborted, no one is murdered and nothing is lost. 'Souls' are not being destroyed. That is simply a religious belief.
Potential is lost. That fetus could be the one to invent the master plan that saves the Earth from that invasion in 2166 >.>

I know it's going into the "what if's" however you can't deny the fact that there's a chance that fetus could have done even 1 positive thing for this world.

Won't say anything on the souls, but a life is lost. If you value life...
 
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