Abortion

[katy perry is hot]

A life is not lost.

Potential life and life are two very different things. Besides, if you outlaw abortion, it will still happen, just in the back alleys with coat hangers.

 

[ℓєσ gнσѕт]

A life is not lost.

Potential life and life are two very different things. Besides, if you outlaw abortion, it will still happen, just in the back alleys with coat hangers.

Yes it will. Shooting people is outlawed yet it still occurs. That is no defense to why it should not be a crime and you know that.

A life is lost. Whenever the human heart stops beating and the brain powers down a life is lost, for once the heart has started to beat the life has begun.

 

[katy perry is hot]

I guess I can understand why you care so much because the heart is beating, but come on Ghost. Forcing women to carry unwanted children they don't want is no kind of life for the child nor is it for the woman.

And you know as well as I do that adoption is not key at all. Most babies put up for adoption float around from orphanage to orphanage.

 

[ℓєσ gнσѕт]

I guess I can understand why you care so much because the heart is beating, but come on Ghost. Forcing women to carry unwanted children they don't want is no kind of life for the child nor is it for the woman.

And you know as well as I do that adoption is not key at all. Most babies put up for adoption float around from orphanage to orphanage.

Then find a system that allows for a fetus to be transfered from the unstable mother to a robotic tank of some sort until it reaches the age to be "birthed", which will go smoothly with a hell of a lot less crying :biggrin:

Adoption is not currently the key. My neighbors are a married infertile couple (true story bro) and they have told us that if they were aware that adoption was possible for them when they were younger they would have gone for it. Adoption is looked down upon in today's society because the government is placing the children in the care of the unstable, rather then pushing programs to find "real" homes for the children.

 

[Consecrated]

Yea, it all depends on the reason. If someone has sex while drunk and they cant tell when they are about to you know guys and they do it and the woman is ovulating then she gets pregnant... It wouldn't EXACTLY be there fault, but still kinda, ya... I think its more than okay if there are certain circumstances.

 

[birdy]

I am with Irviding on this totally - unless you have ever been in that position you cannot possibly know what you would do and as most of you (if not all in this thread are male) you NEVER will.

 

[Consecrated]

What if we have mothers that have had an abortion and have to listen to them bitch about it 24/7?

 

[birdy]

Well then they need help or counselling.

 

[ℓєσ gнσѕт]

I am with Irviding on this totally - unless you have ever been in that position you cannot possibly know what you would do and as most of you (if not all in this thread are male) you NEVER will.

And if my girlfriend gets raped and then as the boyfriend I must decide what to do? It's the same choice, I either have to deal with raising a child that I didn't help make, or I have to KILL. Don't say I won't have to make that choice, you don't know, no one does.

@birdy
In your view EVERY women who has one would need counseling, as they should feel a lot of guilt, unless they don't care or value life.

 

[sykx]

I would like to say I'm for abortion because it should be a personal decision up till the baby is born however, I do not think I would know of have the proper feelings without having a child of my own on the way or around.

If it was entirely based on moral, beliefs, etc ... I say allow the 2 (yes both of the individuals) that conceived or are conceiving the child decide. Not the public, government, church, etc... at most allow them to be simple influences.

 

[katy perry is hot]

I am with Irviding on this totally - unless you have ever been in that position you cannot possibly know what you would do and as most of you (if not all in this thread are male) you NEVER will.

And if my girlfriend gets raped and then as the boyfriend I must decide what to do? It's the same choice, I either have to deal with raising a child that I didn't help make, or I have to KILL. Don't say I won't have to make that choice, you don't know, no one does.

@birdy
In your view EVERY women who has one would need counseling, as they should feel a lot of guilt, unless they don't care or value life.

No, you don't decide what to do. It's her body, not yours.

 

[Lorcan]

I think it should be allowed as it is the mothers discussion and what is the point of bringing a baby into the world not loved ,it would probably be neglected and treated horrible, also it is good if some is raped and then they do not have to go through a horrible pregnancy.Also abortion helps stem cell research so it is saving more people lives.

 

[ℓєσ gнσѕт]

No, you don't decide what to do. It's her body, not yours.

Her body, my child. Change that around to say "wife" and see if it's different.

 

[wednesday]

I am with Irviding on this totally - unless you have ever been in that position you cannot possibly know what you would do and as most of you (if not all in this thread are male) you NEVER will.

This post says it all...Nuff said.

 

[ℓєσ gнσѕт]

I am with Irviding on this totally - unless you have ever been in that position you cannot possibly know what you would do and as most of you (if not all in this thread are male) you NEVER will.

This post says it all...Nuff said.

Again, a male can be raped, and a male can be faced with the same decision as a female as to whether or not for the baby to be kept. You don't think it would hurt the male to see his wife give birth to a child that isn't his? Sure it's not real pain that follows any birth process, however it's the deeper pain. As much as it would hurt him, do you think he rather help commit a murder? I think that's something that no female can ever understand, and you NEVER will.

 

[wednesday]

Has someone had to much fizzy pop today?

Help commit a murder? sweet bejebus....

 

[katy perry is hot]

Well, I'm not a female ghost, and I agree with birdy.

It's the womans body. The man puts his soldier into her army base, she is the one hosting it, not the man. Sorry, but if I got a girl pregnant, I'd allow it to be her decision too.

 

[wednesday]

I can actually sympathise with a man's point of view...but seriously, it seems to be people like yourself leo that places all the weight of " taboo" on this subject.
As a woman, i would depend upon circumstances...if i found out i was to give birth to a child that would die at birth....would i have an abortion...yes. Why? To save myself and that child any further pain. Is that murder? If I was raped...yes i would consider abortion..does that make me a murderer? If i was terminally ill...knowing iwouldnt be able to care for this child...would this also make me a murderer?

You really should not be so quick to judge,....

 

[ℓєσ gнσѕт]

Well, I'm not a female ghost, and I agree with birdy.

It's the womans body. The man puts his soldier into her army base, she is the one hosting it, not the man. Sorry, but if I got a girl pregnant, I'd allow it to be her decision too.

There are many females that agree on my side as well. You are correct that it is ultimately her choice, however you'd *think* that she'd look towards her husband and LIFE PARTNER for help making it.

@day of the week girl
If you help make the choice to murder someone with a friend, then legally you are just as much at fault. If a friend who said "I dare you to" can go to jail for years than a husband can feel the guilt.

Edit:
By giving birth and giving up the child to a real home (if you keep it things will never be right, I get that), then you are giving the chance for the child to be adopted and taken care of as if it was their own child. As I said a few pages back, I know people who can't have kids and would adopted such a child, and care for it well until it succeed. Why kill the person when there's a chance that it could do something with it's life? Killing it is NO DIFFERENT than denying a child college, you are denying the chance to do something in life and be successful.

 

[wednesday]

I find that very offensive....i am a mother...if i feel that abortion is the best course of action i would do what is neccessary, based on the circumstances i have written.I am not a murderer.
People like you...are the only reason women HAVE to feel so much pain of that choice.