katy perry is hot
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You're grasping at straws.Nuke said:
I don't care if it can be productive in society. That doesn't justify forcing a mother to carry an unwanted child.
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I don't care if it can be productive in society. That doesn't justify forcing a mother to carry an unwanted child.
Irviding said:
first: dont have it in the first place
second: adoption. do you realize how many couples cant have kids. and regular adoption costs around $30,000 from an orphanage. instead you skip paying that and get it as soon as its born. its not that hard to see
Irviding said:
sorry for the double post, but here's your link. taken from a survey done by Loyola University. A highly respected place. http://www.abortionfacts.com/reardon/statistics.asp. Please read the whole thing before reply, otherwise that would be ignorant to throw statistics proving your statements wrong away. people who have abortions dont like them. most need counseling afterward for a long time.
katy perry is hot
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Adoption doesn't work. The child will float around in the system going in between shitty group foster houses for their entire life.gqgk said:
actually thats a foster child, not an adopted child. that is something totally different. get your facts straight. that happens when a child is taken from parents who are druggies or unsafe. learn what is what. adoption will usually happen as soon as its born and will live with one family the whole time. good try though
katy perry is hot
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A child put up for adoption will, sit in the system, just like a foster child. People don't magically show up to pick up the child when it's put for adoption. It sits and floats around for years.
Get your facts straight.
Get your facts straight.
katy perry is hot
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Actually, sending a child to a relative, is one of the most stressful and painful things for the mother to deal with.
Constantly seeing the child that is hers, by birth, being raised by someone else is crazy.
The point is you cannot justify forcing a woman to carry a baby she doesn't want then bringing it into a world, unwanted ,and unloved.
Constantly seeing the child that is hers, by birth, being raised by someone else is crazy.
The point is you cannot justify forcing a woman to carry a baby she doesn't want then bringing it into a world, unwanted ,and unloved.
what do you not get. there is a difference between an orphanage and adoption. most children are adopted as soon as they are born. do you realize how many parents cant have children? its cheaper and easier this way and the child lives a PERFECT NORMAL life. your looking at the foster system also, which is where kids go when their parents are druggies. you really need to learn some things before you try to debate about them. its funny how you keep saying the same wrong things over and over and over. its actually sad.
o and i forgot my main point. an adopted child is loved just as much as a child from their natural parents. learn somethings about how everything works. its like saying pluto cant be a planet because earth has a moon. your arguing points that are totally incorrect. get some education and learn something instead of just saying what you think is correct.
o and i forgot my main point. an adopted child is loved just as much as a child from their natural parents. learn somethings about how everything works. its like saying pluto cant be a planet because earth has a moon. your arguing points that are totally incorrect. get some education and learn something instead of just saying what you think is correct.
Irviding said:
and once again you are wrong. you really need to learn statistics here. parents have to adopt from overseas because it is almost impossible to adopt newborns because people like you decide to kill them.
sorry for the double post.
katy perry is hot
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Okay, people like me decide to kill them?
You really need to put on something other than Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity once in a while.
You really need to put on something other than Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity once in a while.
Irviding said:
i see you never read that survey i put the link up to. and so far you havent put any evidence up. this isnt even a debate. its evidence vs some kid that keeps saying dont say that, dont say that.
and so far none of it has been sean hannity or glenn beck. good luck buddy. so far you have given no evidence and you wont even look at the links i put up.
katy perry is hot
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I don't think a survey is any evidence at all. Normally they are fixed, or people lie on them. Liberals and conservatives organizations both do it.
The point is that you can give me any arguement against Abortion, but the point is that it comes down to you realizing that you have absolutely no right to force someone to do something they don't want to do with their body and to bring an unwanted child into the world.
The point is that you can give me any arguement against Abortion, but the point is that it comes down to you realizing that you have absolutely no right to force someone to do something they don't want to do with their body and to bring an unwanted child into the world.
Irviding said:
o yeah, loyola university definitely fixes their surveys of real women. so now you change your argument from its what the woman wants (which now you see its not what they end up wanting) to you cant force people to do things. this is also untrue however. people want to steal, kill, lie and all kinds of things, but the law prevents them from doing it. so there goes one more thing you say down the drain.
i also liked how you said link or it didnt happen, then i give you the link and you still try to fight it. quite humorous. you hate when your backed into a corner dont you. another thing that caught my eye is when you said its not the governments place to force morals. well obviously not, otherwise you would have some. your letting people make a choice they regret the rest of their life, instead of preventing it. your also killing an innocent child when he could go to a family that will care for him. :rofl: nice work
katy perry is hot
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I think I'm going to back out of this one for a while before I start cursing and screaming at you for thinking it's killing an innocent child, and that all women are against abortion.
Wednesday is a woman, Birdy is a woman. They're both pro choice.
Wednesday is a woman, Birdy is a woman. They're both pro choice.
yea, but at the same time you dont know until you go through it first hand. and those women have. i have been influenced closely by it first hand. i just lost a kid via miscarriage. it wasnt even 3 weeks old. and i cant tell you how hard it was on the mom. imagine how hard it would be if she actually chose to do it. it wasnt even 3 weeks old and she felt that way. so until you know first hand you cant say anything about it
MisterPeaBody
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I've experienced it first hand. When I was 19 I got my girlfriend pregnant and she had an Abortion within 2 months, we both agreed, and we both were pretty calm during the situation. It wasn't that sad of an ordeal since it was really just a lump of cells.
It really doesn't become a human being thats alive until 5 or 6 months in the womb. It really boiled down to that the fetus is being hosted by the woman, and it's her body, so she should make the choice.
It really doesn't become a human being thats alive until 5 or 6 months in the womb. It really boiled down to that the fetus is being hosted by the woman, and it's her body, so she should make the choice.
MisterPeaBody said:
when is the last time you talked to her?
have you talked about the situation at all with her lately?
and we all know girls never open up fully so i doubt she'd even tell you how she really felt first hand since she knows its what you wanted
on top of that when she does have a kid it'll be a whole lot worse for her
MisterPeaBody
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We're still together today.
She wanted it aborted more than I did, actually. And no, when we have a child, it will be a lot better for us. At 19 we were both still dumb kids, not ready to have a child yet. When we are older, and both able to provide for the child efficiently. I'm not out of law school, she's not out of nursing school, it was just a bad time.
She wanted it aborted more than I did, actually. And no, when we have a child, it will be a lot better for us. At 19 we were both still dumb kids, not ready to have a child yet. When we are older, and both able to provide for the child efficiently. I'm not out of law school, she's not out of nursing school, it was just a bad time.
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