Abortion

To erica, the same about how it is living in some way can be said about viruses or bacteria in the human body.
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Theres a difference! a viruses or bacteria is something that makes you sick!
 
Babies can also make their mothers sick when they are inside their tummies (yeah, I know my scientific lingo is astounding).

I'm not saying that babies should be put on the same level as viruses and bacteria; I'm just saying that you need to consider that.
 
EricaBrooke93 said:
To erica, the same about how it is living in some way can be said about viruses or bacteria in the human body.
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Theres a difference! a viruses or bacteria is something that makes you sick!
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Not necessarily. There are plenty of viruses or bacteria that lay dormant in your body without making you sick. You pick up viruses and bacteria every day and your body handles it without you getting sick.
 
EricaBrooke93 said:
To erica, the same about how it is living in some way can be said about viruses or bacteria in the human body.
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Theres a difference! a viruses or bacteria is something that makes you sick!
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Absolutely not. There are tons of beneficial bacteria, known as "probiotics."
Same thing with viruses. If it weren't for killed (dormant), attenuated, or subunits of viruses (often found in vaccinations), humans would be prone to many illnesses and diseases.

Saying such a general statement like that is ridiculous. It's just like saying "all doctors/healthcare workers are there to help you." I know quite a few that are around just for the money, and run great insurance scams. :shake:
 
well then if the body handles those kinds of things dont you think that if a baby was like that your body it would handle it! a baby is NOT like that, its different!
 
EricaBrooke93 said:
well then if the body handles those kinds of things dont you think that if a baby was like that your body it would handle it!
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Similar to other users on this topic, I support your view, but don't support your argument. When it comes to blood types, if a mother is type O blood, and Rh negative (completely unrelated, but the band Type O Negative is kisass), their body may treat an unborn baby as a parasite. To fully understand this, one must understand how blood types work. I am in no way a serologist nor am I interested in serology but my basic explanation should suffice, despite not being 100% accurate in some aspects. Type "O" blood has antibodies for both type A and B blood (and consequently type AB). This means that if A, B, or AB blood is detected, the body fights off the blood as if it were a parasite. The Rh of blood (+ or -) is also used when bodies fight off parasitic blood. If positive Rh blood is given to somebody who is Rh negative, the blood is considered parasitic. Getting back to the point, if a mother who is type O and Rh negative and her unborn child is another blood type (since the father may be A, B, or AB), the mother's body will treat it as a parasite.
 
EricaBrooke93 said:
Kirisute Gomen said:
I didn't poop in this thread......yet. Why must it get cleaned?
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Grow up!
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At nearly 6'1", I'm actually told the contrary, to grow down. Though I would like to see your response to my post on the last page. While a fetus is often not parasitic to the mother, the father's blood type could make the mother's body think that the baby was a parsite. Thus, her body cannot just "deal with it."

I'm not necessarily trying to be a dick, as I support your view. However a weak arguement is as good as a view with no rationale. Irviding, Cosmic and I have provided detailed arguements. While my view isn't the same as Irviding's I can say he has put together a good arguement. Regardless, Irviding, Cosmic and I cannot have an abortion since men don't have uteruses.
 
Kirisute Gomen said:
EricaBrooke93 said:
well then if the body handles those kinds of things dont you think that if a baby was like that your body it would handle it!
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Similar to other users on this topic, I support your view, but don't support your argument. When it comes to blood types, if a mother is type O blood, and Rh negative (completely unrelated, but the band Type O Negative is kisass), their body may treat an unborn baby as a parasite. To fully understand this, one must understand how blood types work. I am in no way a serologist nor am I interested in serology but my basic explanation should suffice, despite not being 100% accurate in some aspects. Type "O" blood has antibodies for both type A and B blood (and consequently type AB). This means that if A, B, or AB blood is detected, the body fights off the blood as if it were a parasite. The Rh of blood (+ or -) is also used when bodies fight off parasitic blood. If positive Rh blood is given to somebody who is Rh negative, the blood is considered parasitic. Getting back to the point, if a mother who is type O and Rh negative and her unborn child is another blood type (since the father may be A, B, or AB), the mother's body will treat it as a parasite.
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im sorry i dont sit on here everyday all day! but A parasite takes from it's host to the host DETRIMENT. If a baby were a parasite, more women would die during gestation from malnutrition and/or dehydration. As it is, while the baby takes what it needs from the mother, the mother is left with enough to survive. If the mother does not give the baby what it needs, the baby will die in the womb resulting in a miscarriage or will be deform and small when born.
 
@Irv Yeah, appears so. I looked it up, and it appears we don't. :shrug:

Erica, I don't sit here all day either, but I do check almost daily. The point is that while an unborn baby isn't necessarily what most consider a parasite, a woman's body thinks the unborn baby is a parasite. There's really nothing (besides medicine) that can prevent that. You can't just tell your immune system "Hey, the baby's good. Don't attack it."
 
if it attacks it then it would kill the baby! and then there would be no babys born! so then there would be not need for abortion in the world and the world would come to an end so there for the body does not look at the as a parasite!
 
Irviding said:
EricaBrooke93 said:
if it attacks it then it would kill the baby! and then there would be no babys born! so then there would be not need for abortion in the world and the world would come to an end so there for the body does not look at the as a parasite!
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I'm quite confused as well...
Less than 1% of births have conflicting blood types, and there are medications a pregnant woman can take to make the immune system not confuse the baby as an unwanted parasite.
 
I don't believe that abortion should be used as a contraception. If two people feel they are adult enough to have sex, then they are adult enough to use protection. I know that protection is not 100%, but using a contraceptive pill along with a barrier method like a condom is as near to 100% safe as you will get.

If people cannot be bothered sorting out protection then they should not be allowed to have an abortion just because it is inconvenient for them. There are many many loving families out there who are deperate for a child and would happily adopt a child and give it a wonderful upbringing.

I do agree with abortion in cases of rape / abuse. That woman did not want to get pregnant and it would probably be very harmful (mentally) for them to have to carry the child to term, even if they were going to give the child up for adoption.

I do also agree with abortion is cases where the parents find out that they child is not developing normally and will be in pain or not have a very good standard of living if the child was to be born.

Or if to continue with the pregnancy would put the mothers life at risk.

I do believe that the limit should be lowered that abortions are allowed at. A woman can still have a voluntary abortion (non medical reasons) up to 24 weeks. But there are many many babies born at 24 weeks who go on to lead perfectly healthy lives.

Oh and just a note, I am a mother. And when I held that little stick and saw a positive result - never did I think I was carry a bunch of cells, even if that is what officially it was. To be it was my baby from day one.
 
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I don't believe that abortion should be used as a contraception. If two people feel they are adult enough to have sex, then they are adult enough to use protection. I know that protection is not 100%, but using a contraceptive pill along with a barrier method like a condom is as near to 100% safe as you will get.

If people cannot be bothered sorting out protection then they should not be allowed to have an abortion just because it is inconvenient for them. There are many many loving families out there who are deperate for a child and would happily adopt a child and give it a wonderful upbringing.

I do agree with abortion in cases of rape / abuse. That woman did not want to get pregnant and it would probably be very harmful (mentally) for them to have to carry the child to term, even if they were going to give the child up for adoption.

I do also agree with abortion is cases where the parents find out that they child is not developing normally and will be in pain or not have a very good standard of living if the child was to be born.

Or if to continue with the pregnancy would put the mothers life at risk.

I do believe that the limit should be lowered that abortions are allowed at. A woman can still have a voluntary abortion (non medical reasons) up to 24 weeks. But there are many many babies born at 24 weeks who go on to lead perfectly healthy lives.

Oh and just a note, I am a mother. And when I held that little stick and saw a positive result - never did I think I was carry a bunch of cells, even if that is what officially it was. To be it was my baby from day one.
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Alright, but again, let me state the same thing I've stated 150 times. Abortion is not an easy thing to go through. Not many women just say "fuck this baby i'm going to get it aborted and then i'm going to find some guy at the bar and have unprotected sex again!". That's just not how it works. The way the right wing media portrays women who get abortions is just simply wrong. I have met many women who have had abortions. And even if it is being used as contraception, ok, so, since the couple chose not to use protection or the morning after pill or whatever, they should be PUNISHED by the woman being forced to carry an unwanted baby? I'm sure it will receive lots of love and be taken care of to the fullest extent, right? Wrong. And please, don't use the adoption argument. I've torn that apart on the past like 10 pages and I really don't want to get into it again.
Furthermore, people always make the only-rape argument. The point is, how do we determine whether or not it was a rape? Women can just walk in and say "Oh I was raped" and get an abortion, even if she is lying? And the court case thing is bullshit. Court cases are not 43 minute procedures like they are on TV, I hate to say. Rape cases can take up to (or over) a year to complete.* In that situation, if we were to make it so only rape victims can get abortions, who makes the decision as to whether or not they were rape victims? The woman was sort of beat up? There is no accountability there. The fact is, you have to either allow it across the board or just not permit it at all. And the only way to ensure full liberties and freedoms for everyone is to allow it. That includes for the rape victims, and for those with mental defects or whatever other reasons.

*http://www.perthshirerapecrisis.org/pdf/Police%20&%20Court.pdf


http://www.perthshirerapecrisis.org/pdf ... 0Court.pdf
 
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