Alcohol - more harmful than other drugs?

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When it comes to booze, most people these days don't even look at it as a drug and with that being said, why should they? Most people see alcoholic beverages as a good way for responsible adults to relax, with the rate of occasional users to addicts much lower than most other drugs. Marketing dollars keep it looking great, while these very same people scoff at those who they view as drug addicts for using anything from light substances such as cannabis to harder drugs like heroin or meth.

But if you really think about it, how can we as a society look down upon what we see as irresponsible drug use while we encourage drinking? How many drugs effect as many lives of outsiders as alcohol? Sure, a paranoid tweaker can lead to much harm to them and those around them, but can you honestly say you're more scared of them than a driver who had a few too many drinks that night, roaring down the road in a death machine that kills more people annually than guns, striking and killing family, friends, and otherwise normal healthy people in an instant? How many meth heads do you hear about killing random people? I'll take a gander and assume its much less than the 16,000 killed in drunk driving incidents in the US each year. Can the crimes that a junkie commits to get their fix ever equate to a peaceful drive on a Saturday night resulting in death of you? Your partner? Your children?

People consider alcohol a drug that can be used responsibly, while claiming that users of harder drugs can only be addicts. While its true that it's very unlikely to die of alcohol poisoning, how can drunk driving be considered responsible, or beating your girlfriend in a drunken fit? For me that just doesn't add up.

I know I'll be in the minority in this but I see an occasional user of 'hard drugs' as more responsible than an occasional drinker. At least someone taking for example opiates for their own enjoyment will be affecting themselves, not the lives of others. Maybe its just that booze is for the selfish - there's always the chance that you'll wake up in the hospital with a few scratches, otherwise fine with just the bother of DUI charges and vehicular manslaughter over you - not optimal, but better than dead. Or not, depends on your morals. I know this is more of a rant than a debate topic but just had to let it out. I know plenty people who have gotten a DUI or two, doesn't stop them from drinking and society sees nothing wrong with it, whereas they would have been in mandatory rehab for any other drugs, or prison.

Anyhow, what do I know. Interested in hearing other's thoughts.
 
I'd rather do weed than alcohol, because whats the worst that happens with weed? You spend your money on food?
 
JC19 said:
I'd rather do weed than alcohol, because whats the worst that happens with weed? You spend your money on food?
Arrest/having to associate with drug dealers/fueling dangerous drug cartels.

Which are not caused by the cannabis plant itself but its political nature but nonetheless that still counts as some harmful effects of cannabis.
 
Gimgak said:
JC19 said:
I'd rather do weed than alcohol, because whats the worst that happens with weed? You spend your money on food?
Arrest/having to associate with drug dealers/fueling dangerous drug cartels.

Which are not caused by the cannabis plant itself but its political nature but nonetheless that still counts as some harmful effects of cannabis.


What are the real negative effects of cannabis? Your reaction time goes down.... Big deal.

Again I think Alcohol is much more harmful to your body than weed.
 
I'm not talking about bodily effects in this thread, I'm talking about the effects of the drug on society. If you look at just the user then alcohol cannot be compared to hard drugs but when you look at what it does to a community its way more harmful.
 
Crackheads bring down neighborhoods, when's the last time a drunk brought down a community or turned a house into a crack house.

A drunk driver is not a responsible one, sure he's at fault but he isn't running people over on purpose. A crackhead will shank you just to get 10 bucks off of you, as will a meth head, a coke head, an H head.

A drunk will get up in the morning and go to work, pay his/her taxes and support the country. Drugies don't work, they rob and steal and collect welfare that the drunk pays for.

I'm not defending alcoholics, but we're talking recreation here. With meth, H, coke, crack, there is no recreation, it becomes life.

If you want to compare weed to drinking, I'll still be in defense of having a drink. Smoking f'''s up your reaction time just the same, and I've seen plenty of people that are high on MJ get more retarded than someone that's drunk.

I don't know where you live, but here weed only leads to violence.
 
legalize said:
Crackheads bring down neighborhoods, when's the last time a drunk brought down a community or turned a house into a crack house.
I dunno man, maybe when he beat his wife or ran over the friendly neighborhood beagle. I take it you're not accustomed to seeing men sitting around a liquor store all day drinking beer in front of it, generally being roudy and bringing the neighborhood to sh*t, good for you.

A drunk driver is not a responsible one, sure he's at fault but he isn't running people over on purpose. A crackhead will shank you just to get 10 bucks off of you, as will a meth head, a coke head, an H head.

Does this matter? Are you trying to say that people who are addicted to drugs suddenly become evil murderers? Is this personal experience?
A drunk will get up in the morning and go to work, pay his/her taxes and support the country. Drugies don't work, they rob and steal and collect welfare that the drunk pays for.
I'm confused as where there's any factual basis behind this. There's no such thing as an unemployed drunk? People who use drugs don't work? Well I'll be damned, thanks for the info but this just seems like quite an ignorant and inaccurate statement, based solely on stereotypes. I didn't know that drinking makes you patriotic though, I guess there's no better way to release some drunken anger than beating up some brown people so I see how it applies.
I'm not defending alcoholics, but we're talking recreation here. With meth, H, coke, crack, there is no recreation, it becomes life.
Do you have any evidence supporting your claim? And quite frankly I don't care if they're an alcoholic or not, it could be their first time drinking but if they commit vehicular manslaughter it doesn't matter.
If you want to compare weed to drinking, I'll still be in defense of having a drink. Smoking f'''s up your reaction time just the same, and I've seen plenty of people that are high on MJ get more retarded than someone that's drunk.
How many violent high people have you seen?
I don't know where you live, but here weed only leads to violence.
Oh yeah man I know, all those violent weed smokers. I'd understand if you stated this coke or meth but I don't see the logic. In any case I was never stating that marijuana was harmless, I don't think I even voiced any support for cannabis.
 
Your first post is full of confusion. You're blaming drunk drivers, then turning to hard drug users, and somewhere bringing up a comparison of alcoholism and druggies.

I'm surprised I was even able to write that paragraph in response at all.

A drunk driver isn't necessarily an alcoholic, it's just a person that drank too much and sat behind the wheel of a car. Sorry if one has affected you, because that strongly appears to be the case. They do get up in the morning and go to work, their taxes support this country. Where do you think the countries money comes from? People, whether they drink or not.

The chance of someone that drinks and has a job is a lot higher than someone that smokes crack or meth. Do you really want to argue with that? Really?

The addiction rate to alcohol is comparable to H, meth, coke, or crack? Are you seriously trying to say that?

Do you know what makes neighborhoods sh!t? It's certainly almost never alcohol. It's drug dealers and drug users.

Gotta run, will write more from home!
 
I agree with Gimgak. I find it strange that alcohol kills far more people than hard drugs, yet alcohol is not just tolerated; it's encouraged. I do not drink alcohol or use drugs, and I never will. However, I find the double standard very curious.
 
I'm not talking about alcoholics or addiction lmao I'm talking about community harm and double standards. Drug policies and corruption effect neighborhoods, alcohol caused as much during prohibition.
 
Sure are buddy, but those drugs are already legal as prescription drugs. Do you think Add meds cause crime? Hahaha
 
legalize said:
A drunk driver is not a responsible one, sure he's at fault but he isn't running people over on purpose.
Although I am a drinker myself I strongly disagree with this statement. It is the persons choice to drink and should know better not to drive when drinking, they are putting themselves and others at harm.
 
I personally have no problem with weed smokers what so ever, as long as they're not stealing from my house or eating into there benefit money to get there fix. I find most weed smokers friendly and relaxed while high.

Harder drugs I'm completely against though. Heroin, Cocaine, Methamphetamine, Opium are in my opinion disgusting. I can understand going to have a joint to relax yourself but when you get yourself into these sort of drugs you need to take a good look at your life.

I'm a drinker, I like to drink and I like to get drunk on the odd occasion. I see no problem with that. Alcohol in the hands of violent people is a cause of disaster and that's when alcohol can become a lot more harmful to others around. More then any type of drug.

Alcohol is legal, recreational drugs aren't. That isn't going to change.

It all depends on the sort of person that takes the alcohol or drug.
 
Midnight said:
Harder drugs I'm completely against though. Heroin, Cocaine, Methamphetamine, Opium are in my opinion disgusting. I can understand going to have a joint to relax yourself but when you get yourself into these sort of drugs you need to take a good look at your life.
But all these harder drugs have legitimate uses, not in their street form but they all derive from prescription meds. If we were to believe what Legalize says that means that every single person in the US who is prescribed medication for their ADHD is a murdering drug fiend when that is simply not the case. Amphetamines at low doses are used to treat around 7.5% of kids (http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/688.html ) with many more of which could remain undiagnosed. It's cool that he thinks that these kids are all drug addict welfare recipients, although I've found that ignorance and hate against those in poverty is linked so its understandable.

Alcohol is legal, recreational drugs aren't. That isn't going to change.
Less than a hundred years ago alcohol was as illegal as these other drugs, I don't think even Legalize could argue that drinking moonshine was just as safe as alcohol these days but then again wouldn't really surprise me.
 
Gimgak said:
Midnight said:
Harder drugs I'm completely against though. Heroin, Cocaine, Methamphetamine, Opium are in my opinion disgusting. I can understand going to have a joint to relax yourself but when you get yourself into these sort of drugs you need to take a good look at your life.
But all these harder drugs have legitimate uses, not in their street form but they all derive from prescription meds. If we were to believe what Legalize says that means that every single person in the US who is prescribed medication for their ADHD is a murdering drug fiend when that is simply not the case. Amphetamines at low doses are used to treat around 7.5% of kids (http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/688.html ) with many more of which could remain undiagnosed. It's cool that he thinks that these kids are all drug addict welfare recipients, although I've found that ignorance and hate against those in poverty is linked so its understandable.

Alcohol is legal, recreational drugs aren't. That isn't going to change.
Less than a hundred years ago alcohol was as illegal as these other drugs, I don't think even Legalize could argue that drinking moonshine was just as safe as alcohol these days but then again wouldn't really surprise me.

Society's opinions on drugs have always been stronger then alcohol. They have never been seen as equivalents (until recently by some groups). I'm almost certain recreational drugs will not come legal in the next 100 years but who am I to say that. Who knows they may of invented a drug to stop the bad side effects of drugs in 100 years time.

I agree with prescription based drugs like Adderall, although I do feel they're being given out to easily. Harder drugs in street form are the main problem and most definitely more harmful then Alcohol.
 
Sure, but that's due to their illegal status. The difference between Adderall and street speed is just that street speed can have dangerous things added to it, just how when alcohol was prohibited moonshine made incorrectly could kill you.
 
Gimgak said:
... although I've found that ignorance and hate against those in poverty is linked so its understandable.
The most curious thing is that there is little to no evidence that suggests that drug use among those who receive welfare is significantly higher than the general population.
 
Snobothehobo said:
Gimgak said:
... although I've found that ignorance and hate against those in poverty is linked so its understandable.
The most curious thing is that there is little to no evidence that suggests that drug use among those who receive welfare is significantly higher than the general population.
Actually a study in Florida done by the ACLU Florida branch suggests there is little to no drug use who use welfare. It should be noted this was done back in 02 though.
 
NBK*Twitch said:
Actually a study in Florida done by the ACLU Florida branch suggests there is little to no drug use who use welfare. It should be noted this was done back in 02 though.
Are you saying that the republicans are lying when they say that all people on welfare are drug fiends who collaborate with Osama (RIP) and peddle their children on the streets for more drugs?
 
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