Are Social Justice Warriors annoying? (SJWs)

[Azareal]

Okay, so the joke is not funny. At least, you don't find the joke funny. Does that mean the restaurant should be shut down? Over a bad joke, that wasn't intended to be offensive... isn't that a huge overreaction?

I would expect to be fired if I put a message like that up as it's extremely unprofessional.
That is the sort of language you'd see behind closed doors or on an ad for a porn site, not in a help wanted ad from a restaurant.

It has some pretty obvious BDSM connotations.

You can debate yourself about whether you think it is right or wrong to jump to such conclusions, but it really isn't surprising if people got outraged, this is just how our society fundamentally works.

 

[Jason76]

To be honest slavery was no joke - especially in that you can be whipped. But then again, having no food and shelter is a whipping of a sort, as some have noted, but that's for another debate!

 

[Carlos X]

I would expect to be fired if I put a message like that up as it's extremely unprofessional.
That is the sort of language you'd see behind closed doors or on an ad for a porn site, not in a help wanted ad from a restaurant.

I don't think we're debating that it's "offensive" or not. The outrage is fake. This "restaurant" was reacting too quickly; made a rash, costly mistake by shutting down their own lifeline based on a few crybabies behind keyboards. So, it was in bad taste, just fire the person, DON'T apologize to SJW's, just apologize to current customers, and move on.

You can debate yourself about whether you think it is right or wrong to jump to such conclusions, but it really isn't surprising if people got outraged, this is just how our society fundamentally works.

You should really see what people post on Twitter, Facebook, and any other Social Media site in order to make "educated" assumption(s).

We're not talking about legitimate "outrage." We're talking about trivial, minuscule, and dumb controversies that cause money to disappear just because a clique group of people says so. Most of the time, SJW's "outrage" is fake, that it muddles legitimate feedback. I laid out a few examples in this thread alone.

 

[fantanoice]

It doesn't take a saint to understand the negative connotations the word 'slave' has. The outrage is real and justified. Get some empathy.

This thread is really upsetting, especially the completely wrong comments about GamerGate. The victims were Zoë Quinn and Brianna Wu, you can at least learn their names. They were attacked by an organised group of right-wing men. The events of that made me and a number of friends seriously question our career choice because it made it clear that it wasn't safe to be of a marginalised gender in gaming.

Here's some recommended reading. It is a published book. It's gone through the editing process. It has 200+ academic references. The authors are both game academics. It has interviews with Zoë Quinn - one of the victims - and Anita Sarkeesian - basically the most famous feminist in gaming and pop culture. It is not some white dude in his basement with a webcam who has only ever been in an echochamber of other white dudes. It is undoubtedly the most reliable source of information on GamerGate.
https://www.amazon.com/Game-Changers-Leena-Van-Deventer-ebook/dp/B0748JF7SW
If you can't be open to the idea that a solid, reliable source like this might actually have some very very correct facts then I don't know what to do with you and you're not worth debating with.

 

[Carlos X]

It doesn't take a saint to understand the negative connotations the word 'slave' has. The outrage is real and justified.

Duh. We know that. Look, you're not getting it. You're not understanding the whole focal point. Racism is bad, that joke is bad, I know that, other people in this thread know that. The problem is, SJW's are trying to seem innocent in all of this. They're trying to tear down a restaurant over a small mistake that was intended as a joke. Take this little joke, and run wild with your ideas on how this racist comment is. Magnify it by 1000x.

Get some empathy.

Who said I don't have empathy? You? Because let me tell you, I have more empathy than anyone would think!

This thread is really upsetting, especially the completely wrong comments about GamerGate. The victims were Zoë Quinn and Brianna Wu, you can at least learn their names. They were attacked by an organised group of right-wing men. The events of that made me and a number of friends seriously question our career choice because it made it clear that it wasn't safe to be of a marginalised gender in gaming.

Right, but there were other controversies in GamerGate. It's not just Zoe Quinn, and Brianna Wu, it went deeper than that. It expanded into NeoGAF, to the point of no return, and spawned a new dumpster-fire site called... ResetEra. Gamergate was originally something else, but became a marketplace for toxic drama, toxic garbage, and in general SJW's playground, that's what it is - now.

If you can't be open to the idea that a solid, reliable source like this might actually have some very very correct facts then I don't know what to do with you and you're not worth debating with.

Maybe, stop overreacting, and try understanding.

 

[fantanoice]

My understanding is fine, thank you. You see, I read the academic book, written by academics, with 200+ academic references and gone through the editing process. I did not sit in an echochamber of white dudes who are not academics, do not have 200+ academic references and did not go through the editing process.

Ironically you use stylised shouting text in response me suggesting you read a book. And I'm overreacting? Please.

 

[Carlos X]

My understanding is fine, thank you. You see, I read the academic book, written by academics, with 200+ academic references and gone through the editing process. I did not sit in an echochamber of white dudes who are not academics, do not have 200+ academic references and did not go through the editing process.

Ironically you use stylised shouting text in response me suggesting you read a book. And I'm overreacting? Please.

If you weren't overreacting, then where did you get the idea that I like men sexual assaulting women? Because THAT IS FAR FROM WHAT I FUCKING SAID!

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Now, I'm overreacting. Get it?

If you were smart, you would stop acting like a spoiled lil brat, and debate like a normal person. But you aren't. You think that a person with a different attitude towards something, is "upsetting." (Your wording, not mine.) Not everyone is going to react with hysteria just because someone on Twitter or facebook is screaming "racist!" Getting mad at people because "He sexually assaulted me!" (That's without double checking the claim.)

*points at you @fantanoice* You would rather, scream "sexual assault!" than to question the legitimacy of the claim, trying to understand what actually happen, and allow some devious lady have all the power to destroy someone's reputation. And let me tell you, that happened. Here's one story, and here's another.

So, calm down, debate without resorting to being upset for no reason - and try to have an intellectual conversation with someone who is just trying to debate with you, not to hate you.

I respect your opinion, but this is a two way street, you want to earn mine? Then show me it.

And no, that Lisa Simpsons avatar won't help you make your persona.

 

[fantanoice]

GamerGate is upsetting. Actual people were hurt by the events. You keep saying it's fake but it's not. Death and rape threats sent to your home and place of work are not nothing. Death and rape threats sent to you friends and family are not nothing. Every person of a marginalised gender - including me - were scared that they'd be the next target. They still are.

 

[Carlos X]

GamerGate is upsetting. Actual people were hurt by the events. You keep saying it's fake but it's not. Death and rape threats sent to your home and place of work are not nothing. Death and rape threats sent to you friends and family are not nothing. Every person of a marginalised gender - including me - were scared that they'd be the next target. They still are.

You don't understand what I meant what I said.

That's why I reacted the way I did. There are groups pretending to be like you. That's SJW's, trying to speak for YOU. YOUR thought would have to be "Speak for yourself. I want nothing to do with your toxicity." 90% of the threats were all SJW's doing. It's not just happening to you, it's happening in the game industry everywhere. People are just horrible losers.

This whole thing spread into films, into pop culture, and into politics, anything that SJW put their minds to - that's what they ruin.

There's swatting, which results in real people dying.
There's bullying, which sometimes results in people hanging themselves, killing themselves, because these shitheads have nothing better to do!

 

[Jason76]

Again, SJWs have ruined real social justice because it takes attention away from real jerks - normally targeting weak, nobody victims and focuses on changing society - something which simply annoys people and usually leads to other types of injustice.

OK, so SJWs now want to input diversity into everything, ignoring real measurements of talent and also punish people for just being human - human mind you, not psycho - as in rich guys paying to fox hunt women non-consensual, LOL.

 

[Deleted member 44219]

To be honest. The SJW's are annoying. Everything they touch is destroyed. Oh, what a lovely piece of art you ha- SJW comes in and destroys art like a boss.

Seriously. Not to mention that whenever a Man does even the most innocent thing, they just start acting up. Oh, sorry for bumping into you ma- SJW starts shouting at man for no reason even though he was apologising to her for bumping into her.

Men have rights to! Tumblr from what I've heard is infested with them.

(Note: I haven't really payed too much attention to the SJW situation so some of the things I said may be wrong or over exaggerating.)

 

[Jason76]

To be honest. The SJW's are annoying. Everything they touch is destroyed. Oh, what a lovely piece of art you ha- SJW comes in and destroys art like a boss.

Seriously. Not to mention that whenever a Man does even the most innocent thing, they just start acting up. Oh, sorry for bumping into you ma- SJW starts shouting at man for no reason even though he was apologising to her for bumping into her.

Men have rights to! Tumblr from what I've heard is infested with them.

(Note: I haven't really payed too much attention to the SJW situation so some of the things I said may be wrong or over exaggerating.)

The real problem isn't SJW - but identity politics - and there is also the so-called "anti-SJW" white kind. Well, anyway, regarding sexual harassment allegations - a person could get them from "white identity politics" or the feminist type.

To be frank, a lot of these people seem like they're looking for trouble - or what you call "being law enforcement". They're trying to be unofficial cops. But they believe they simply have "&alls" - so it's a debatable topic.

 

[overcast]

I have few friends who have lost their jobs due to SJWs. I know few senior citizens who were attacked for going to church and following their religion. I know people who got attacked for having a family and raising a son like a man. SJWs are such a scum on this planet. Ah. never mind. I even avoid my forum posting services in : religion, politics and feminism because of this. Communism has really affected the world with their weapons of SJW and Feminism. God save this world.

 

[Jason76]

I have few friends who have lost their jobs due to SJWs. I know few senior citizens who were attacked for going to church and following their religion. I know people who got attacked for having a family and raising a son like a man. SJWs are such a scum on this planet. Ah. never mind. I even avoid my forum posting services in : religion, politics and feminism because of this. Communism has really affected the world with their weapons of SJW and Feminism. God save this world.

I can't see SJWs being different than those who oppose them. They're both identity politics types.

I mean, raising a son like a man is OK - but not everybody is totally the same.

 

[overcast]

I mean, raising a son like a man is OK - but not everybody is totally the same.

Sure. But making "raising a son as a man" a crime like they are doing in EU. Is not something I stand for, nor I want to bring that filth at home. I'd rather move far right in leaning to protect my rights than end up like SJW.

 

[Jason76]

I mean, raising a son like a man is OK - but not everybody is totally the same.

Sure. But making "raising a son as a man" a crime like they are doing in EU. Is not something I stand for, nor I want to bring that filth at home. I'd rather move far right in leaning to protect my rights than end up like SJW.

Well, the government telling you to raise your son to "not be a man" - or raise a daughter to "not be feminine" - is the government trying to "play god" I think.

 

[overcast]

Ofcourse they are. They are under communist and SJW influence. So they tend to make choices for people. That's a sign of communism rising.

 

[Jason76]

Ofcourse they are. They are under communist and SJW influence. So they tend to make choices for people. That's a sign of communism rising.

Plenty of right-wing governments would do something similar. That's why I don't like Big Brother regimes of any type. I mean, a family could still create a tyranny, but it's a way lesser evil overall (Looking at percentages of bad to good families.)

 

[overcast]

I always look at China and Korea to see how they think. And the way people are choosing socialism and calling out capitalism while still buying expensive things and crying that rich people are wrong is what leads to social imbalance. Right wing governments need support before they can implement conservatism on society. Considering society is broken with SJWism. They are going to add social elements in their own agenda too. I won't be surprised if right wingers act like communists to gain votes.

 

[Jason76]

I always look at China and Korea to see how they think. And the way people are choosing socialism and calling out capitalism while still buying expensive things and crying that rich people are wrong is what leads to social imbalance. Right wing governments need support before they can implement conservatism on society. Considering society is broken with SJWism. They are going to add social elements in their own agenda too. I won't be surprised if right wingers act like communists to gain votes.

Well, I'm not opposed to empathy totally - but I feel like the government is being the "enforcer of empathy" - actually leading to a larger "anti-empathy" backlash.

I always look at China and Korea to see how they think.

There is a large student protester community in Korea - gaining support of most of the people - but it's difficult to say if it's alt-right or left-wing. At the core, they simply want foreigners out of their affairs.

Cultures that are less empathetic practice a lot of discrimination in hiring and generally are racist etc.. (not directly pointing fingers here). Well, it's not the government at least - as much - but it's a problem that they have to deal with themselves - as a people - apart from the government.

Now, while westerners have become more empathetic - due to socialist programming, the good side is they're more nice - the bad side, is they're tools for government manipulation (first pets, then pests - ex: murder of disabled in Nazi Germany).