So yeah, there's been debates on whether Blacks should be called Blacks, now a debate on whether Whites should be called White. I'm opening this debate because some Whites got offended or upset over being called "White men" or "White women".
Being called Whites?
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Oh god I hate racism. I just hate it.
You shouldnt categories anyone for their religion or skin color or anything!
Yes Whites get upset if you call them white men or white women like do black people calling them black man or black women as do asian people for getting called Yellow or cross eyes or what ever. The thing is why the get angry is because they get categorizated in a bad way. If calling someone black wont relate to slavery no one would get angry, if calling someone white wont be related to being a bad person no one would get angry. But here we are hating other races because we are not like them
Just stupid .
You shouldnt categories anyone for their religion or skin color or anything!
Yes Whites get upset if you call them white men or white women like do black people calling them black man or black women as do asian people for getting called Yellow or cross eyes or what ever. The thing is why the get angry is because they get categorizated in a bad way. If calling someone black wont relate to slavery no one would get angry, if calling someone white wont be related to being a bad person no one would get angry. But here we are hating other races because we are not like them
Just stupid .But, it's just to describe a race, nothing racist about that. Like I wouldn't feel offended if I got called "yellow", since I'm Asian. But I think it's very hypocritical of some White people who call others Black, Yellow & etc & to get angry at being called "Whites."
Another point: Blacks are Blacks, Whites are Whites... & Asians= Asian, mixed people are mixed. No point in getting riled up over this.
3rd point: Whites themselves call themselves "White", so they shouldn't be getting offended at tbeing called White by non-Whites such as Asians, Blacks, Indians, Arabs, Jews & etc.
So to say: I don't see what the big deal is here at being called "White", really.
Another point: Blacks are Blacks, Whites are Whites... & Asians= Asian, mixed people are mixed. No point in getting riled up over this.
3rd point: Whites themselves call themselves "White", so they shouldn't be getting offended at tbeing called White by non-Whites such as Asians, Blacks, Indians, Arabs, Jews & etc.
So to say: I don't see what the big deal is here at being called "White", really.
Black Angel
Resident
It is all about the context with which the term is used. If it is used in the same malicious context that the term Negros, Coloreds or Ni**ers has been, then they have a right to be offended.
The term Whites is more or less a more politically correct umbrella term to classify those who are of White skin, but are not of the European nationality in the same way that Blacks are not of the African nationality. There are "Blacks" everywhere, but not all of them are of African roots.
Yes, both did descend from their respective ancestors, but today they are about as different from each other as milk is from cream even though they both come from the same animal.
Both terms came about because there were people in both groups who were referred to as being African or European even though they were born and bred here and never stepped foot into what was considered their "Motherland" and right fully so.
Anyone who was born and raised in the U.S. for many generations gets to call the U.S. their motherland in the same way that Native Americans have the inherent right to do so since they were here first since back in B.C. We are ALL Americans, albeit second generation.
Anyone who recently came here on a boat, plane, train, car or on foot are NOT Americans, and call their respective countries of origin their motherland. If they breed here for generations, then all of their offspring will be true Americans, even though they themselves will be American citizens.
This was why I always laughed at the racist idiots that would tell me to go back to Africa because being part Black means it wasn't my choice to come here and being part Native American means I have more of a right to be here than they do and 3x because of the 3 tribes in my family.
Not all Whites are European. Those that started NASCAR are not the same as those who came by boat. Whether it be because of religious oppression, the Holocaust or the Irish Potato Famine.
Not all Blacks are African. The ones that started Jazz, Blues, R&B and Rock&Roll are not the same as those who are in the Ivory Coast, dancing the Mapouka.
To be honest, I dont like either term and prefer the term American. Since that is what we all are in this country. If we were over in your country, we'd be referred to as Americans, so perhaps the people in this country should follow the same cue.
Any other such terms only create unnecessary division.
The term Whites is more or less a more politically correct umbrella term to classify those who are of White skin, but are not of the European nationality in the same way that Blacks are not of the African nationality. There are "Blacks" everywhere, but not all of them are of African roots.
Yes, both did descend from their respective ancestors, but today they are about as different from each other as milk is from cream even though they both come from the same animal.
Both terms came about because there were people in both groups who were referred to as being African or European even though they were born and bred here and never stepped foot into what was considered their "Motherland" and right fully so.
Anyone who was born and raised in the U.S. for many generations gets to call the U.S. their motherland in the same way that Native Americans have the inherent right to do so since they were here first since back in B.C. We are ALL Americans, albeit second generation.
Anyone who recently came here on a boat, plane, train, car or on foot are NOT Americans, and call their respective countries of origin their motherland. If they breed here for generations, then all of their offspring will be true Americans, even though they themselves will be American citizens.
This was why I always laughed at the racist idiots that would tell me to go back to Africa because being part Black means it wasn't my choice to come here and being part Native American means I have more of a right to be here than they do and 3x because of the 3 tribes in my family.
Not all Whites are European. Those that started NASCAR are not the same as those who came by boat. Whether it be because of religious oppression, the Holocaust or the Irish Potato Famine.
Not all Blacks are African. The ones that started Jazz, Blues, R&B and Rock&Roll are not the same as those who are in the Ivory Coast, dancing the Mapouka.
To be honest, I dont like either term and prefer the term American. Since that is what we all are in this country. If we were over in your country, we'd be referred to as Americans, so perhaps the people in this country should follow the same cue.
Any other such terms only create unnecessary division.
You have some great points there.Black Angel said:
I as a basketball player encounter with many different folks with different skin color and so on. One of my best teammates is black and he allows me to call him the n word but I dont do it out of respect towards him. On the other hand I joke with him in a extreme way. We dont know each other long but we joke in really racist manners, like one time when we are going out and there were no lights on the street and I said to him "Travis I cant see you bro, your like darker than the night" and we laughed and we went on to have a great time at the club. 😀
What I am trying to say is that friendship destroys racism , and thats what we all should be, friendly to each other 🙂
Historically* (though I may be mistaken), 'whites' assigned that terminology to themselves in order to ensure other races would segregate and henceforth show 'white' domination over other 'races'.
If 'white' people get offended, you have your ancestors to blame. But only when there is true equality among 'races' will that argument cease to be put forward.
* way before American history.
If 'white' people get offended, you have your ancestors to blame. But only when there is true equality among 'races' will that argument cease to be put forward.
* way before American history.
In New Zealand we don't use the term "Black" with regards to any group of people. We try to differentiate: "African- American", "African" or whatever. When watching the news I do notice that American reporters tend to use it. It kind of leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I just don't like that term...
R.E. "Whites" I think that shows similar ignorance. Just because I am a white person doesn't make me the same as an American or an Australian. I am a New Zealander. If you must accurately describe me to the Police: New Zealand European Male.
R.E. "Whites" I think that shows similar ignorance. Just because I am a white person doesn't make me the same as an American or an Australian. I am a New Zealander. If you must accurately describe me to the Police: New Zealand European Male.
Black Angel
Resident
It might be a issue of region, but here, a lot of people get offended it you use African American as an umbrella term for all of those with dark skin.
By using "African-American" to refer to all dark-skinned people, you are basically saying that all dark-skinned people look alike and are the same, regardless of their countries of origin.
To you, Sammy Sosa = Don Cheadle even though Sosa is from the Dominican Republic.
Melanesians are dark-skinned people with naturally blonde hair, and I wouldn't really call them African American, even though they have dark skin. It would be racist, and insensitive. I would say that they were Black.
There are Blacks who are of Caribbean origin, and even those who have never left their island of origin.
I wouldn't necessarily call them African American because of their skin color since they are neither African or American. They are simply Black Caribbeans.
Charlize Theron, Dave Matthews and Slash are all African American, even though their skin is white.
So using the term White would be accurate, even though they are African American. Although Slash is really bi-racial, and is a British African-American since he was born in London, and his mother is an African American and his father is British, and he has a dual-citizenship. However, if you are one of the racist idiots who believe in the One Drop Rule, then he is as Black as Barack Obama, by blood, even though they are of different skin color.
To that end, anyone who has ever received blood for a transfusion, and it [anonymously] came from a Black donor, then they are effectively Black because they would have at least a pint of Black blood in them.
But here, White, much like Asian, Hispanic, Black and Native American is just a description, nothing more. If a dude breaks into my house, and his skin was White, then I am going to say that he was White, instead of an American male.. since saying that sort of doesn't work in this country..
By using "African-American" to refer to all dark-skinned people, you are basically saying that all dark-skinned people look alike and are the same, regardless of their countries of origin.
To you, Sammy Sosa = Don Cheadle even though Sosa is from the Dominican Republic.
Melanesians are dark-skinned people with naturally blonde hair, and I wouldn't really call them African American, even though they have dark skin. It would be racist, and insensitive. I would say that they were Black.
There are Blacks who are of Caribbean origin, and even those who have never left their island of origin.
I wouldn't necessarily call them African American because of their skin color since they are neither African or American. They are simply Black Caribbeans.
Charlize Theron, Dave Matthews and Slash are all African American, even though their skin is white.
So using the term White would be accurate, even though they are African American. Although Slash is really bi-racial, and is a British African-American since he was born in London, and his mother is an African American and his father is British, and he has a dual-citizenship. However, if you are one of the racist idiots who believe in the One Drop Rule, then he is as Black as Barack Obama, by blood, even though they are of different skin color.
To that end, anyone who has ever received blood for a transfusion, and it [anonymously] came from a Black donor, then they are effectively Black because they would have at least a pint of Black blood in them.
But here, White, much like Asian, Hispanic, Black and Native American is just a description, nothing more. If a dude breaks into my house, and his skin was White, then I am going to say that he was White, instead of an American male.. since saying that sort of doesn't work in this country..
froggyboy604
Seasoned Veteran
I think the term white is useful for police reports, or as a description of someone which needs to be found since most people know what White person mean, and there maybe people who don't know what a person from a certain country look like, and don't know many countries, so saying "The police is looking for a tall German man in his 30s with a long beard" may make fewer people send in tips to capture a suspect.
Plus, a lot of white people from different countries have similar skin colors, so it can be hard figuring out which country someone is from by a photo or video tape taken at a crime scene.
I guest people who don't like being called white may just want to be called something else like German, Russian, or French because white sounds too simplistic.
Plus, a lot of white people from different countries have similar skin colors, so it can be hard figuring out which country someone is from by a photo or video tape taken at a crime scene.
I guest people who don't like being called white may just want to be called something else like German, Russian, or French because white sounds too simplistic.
Black Angel
Resident
^Exactly, although I would hope that you are exceptionally good with accents and have heard the perp talk to be able to say, "A Dutch German-Japanese man broke into my house.."
Otherwise, someone is going to walk.
I forgot to address this in my first post, and it is more or less directed at anyone person who thinks it is ok to use yellow as a description for Asians.
Yellow is offensive, you are Asian, not yellow, and unless you are jaundiced, your skin isn't either, so if someone were to describe an Asian person, then Asian is the term they would, and should use.
I am ok with being called Black, and really, despite my Irish and Native American heritage, on both sides of my family, I identify myself as such..
Not because I am ashamed of what I am, but because it is a hell of a lot easier than me checking "other," and then having to provide a description, but most importantly, I am an American first and foremost, but if someone uses the term Black to describe me, then I am not going to have a sh-t fit over it.
Otherwise, someone is going to walk.
I forgot to address this in my first post, and it is more or less directed at anyone person who thinks it is ok to use yellow as a description for Asians.
Yellow is offensive, you are Asian, not yellow, and unless you are jaundiced, your skin isn't either, so if someone were to describe an Asian person, then Asian is the term they would, and should use.
I am ok with being called Black, and really, despite my Irish and Native American heritage, on both sides of my family, I identify myself as such..
Not because I am ashamed of what I am, but because it is a hell of a lot easier than me checking "other," and then having to provide a description, but most importantly, I am an American first and foremost, but if someone uses the term Black to describe me, then I am not going to have a sh-t fit over it.
Black Angel said:
Did I ever state I call all people of black skin colour African American? I think not. I used that as an example if they were African American. Obviously if they weren't I'd use geography to describe who they were e.g. Jamaican, Pacific Islanders, Maori etc. (And being a NZer I can generally distinguish between Fijians and Samoans).
As for Charlize Theron, I would consider her South African...
Unfortunately I am not on a computer or I would make this post much longer.
Black Angel
Resident
I didn't say you said anything. My post was innocuous, and not directed at you. I know you were using an example, and while you are obviously NOT, one of them, (since you said that you are conscientious enough to try to differentiate) there are idiots out there who believe that all Blacks look alike, in the same way that they'd believe that all Asians, Latino, Native Americans and Whites looked alike and that was why I said what I did.
Charlize Theron is South African-American in the sense that she comes from South Africa, but she is a citizen of the U.S. and even more so if she is a citizen of both countries like Slash is. If we are talking in terms of continent, and terminology she is African-American. Her bio says that she is South African and American.
Charlize Theron is South African-American in the sense that she comes from South Africa, but she is a citizen of the U.S. and even more so if she is a citizen of both countries like Slash is. If we are talking in terms of continent, and terminology she is African-American. Her bio says that she is South African and American.
You can call me anything you want, just not late for dinner 😉
juststeven
Madly Diligent
Using black or white as a descriptive word to describe the colour of one's skin should not be racist. However implying that's a negative thing is. End of.
Everyone should be judged by merit and character.
That said, I personally don't care, as long as you don't call me something profane.
I see more racism from the "minorities" and more disadvantages for white men lately. It's terrible, causes no good for society, and causes more racism.
That said, I personally don't care, as long as you don't call me something profane.
I see more racism from the "minorities" and more disadvantages for white men lately. It's terrible, causes no good for society, and causes more racism.
juststeven
Madly Diligent
White people should be called white.
Black people should be called black.
It's a way to help distinguish people. If there was an office meeting with 19 white guys and 1 black guy called Bob and someone asked Which one is Bob? Would you go, oh he's the one with the red tie next to the guy with the green tie? You know near the back, right in the corner? Or would you go, the black guy.
It's only racist if you imply that been black is negative or been white is negative/a bad thing.
Black people should be called black.
It's a way to help distinguish people. If there was an office meeting with 19 white guys and 1 black guy called Bob and someone asked Which one is Bob? Would you go, oh he's the one with the red tie next to the guy with the green tie? You know near the back, right in the corner? Or would you go, the black guy.
It's only racist if you imply that been black is negative or been white is negative/a bad thing.
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