Champagne Socialists and a Discussion of Socialism - In General

[Jason76]

Note, another term for them is limousine liberals. 😉 Are their views hypocritical? For instance, critics might point out that despite the revolutionary rhetoric, John Lennon or Russell Brand didn't/don't give away significant amounts of their money.

 

[John]

Socialism is a political philosophy that only works in theory - it has never actually worked in practice. People who think it's a good idea to bring it to any other country (see: America) are ignorant of history and understand little of what socialism truly is.

 

[Deleted member 5665]

Socialism never works due to the simple fact: Humans are not perfect. Socialism was a fools project with high expectations in a realistic world. Which history has proven both Socialism and reality don't mix to well. Socialism tries to cut out the middle man and try to make this perfect equal world and tries to cut out greed, which mind you humans will never stop being greedy to some extent. Socialism abandons all common sense for a blind sense of justice that all humans are equal regardless if they are extremely evil or extremely good and there is no difference between the to which we found out how well that worked out in Germany. When the Socialist Workers Party helped bring Adolf Hitler into power.

There are a few things which are correct that even the socialist Bernie Sanders said during his campaign, but that does not necessarily pertain to socialism. Free Education as an example existed in the US beforehand. When the US was first founded and way before taxes were implemented the US did have a free educational system. Also as for healthcare it was also the same and used to be free. It was fact illegal to profit off of healthcare before President Nixon, Nixon himself signed a bill which legalized profiteering off healthcare. When it comes to education and healthcare making either free is realistically possible in this day and age to some extent like a tax-based healthcare system by taxing let's say for example 10% of every American income from poor to rich and that would easily pay off equalized healthcare for every American citizen with no problems. Same with Education which education is already taxed, but that has nothing to do with Socialism that has to do with a Democracy system.

Socialism and socialists preferably like to use Democratic idealism to push their agendas and gain power in a political system. They will say these ideas are part of Socialism, but they really are not. Socialism and Democracy are two different things entirely. Core Socialism will always lead to ruin and dictatorships.

 

[Jason76]

There is always the argument, though, that capitalists hate socialism but won't provide jobs to make up for it. Do you all agree?

 

[Deleted member 5665]

There is always the argument, though, that capitalists hate socialism but won't provide jobs to make up for it. Do you all agree?

Hate is a strong word for such a debate, capitalists don't hate socialism in the term you seem to be referring to, but generally to the fact it does not work realistically. Capitalism is flawed, yes just like how Communism is flawed, but both Communism and Capitalism work in realistic aspects. While one is more forceful and the other one is not. Capitalism is meant to be built on the backbone of one own work and independence, while Socialism is dependence on others. Communism is obviously more about serving those who are in power and those beneath it never get any where near the top.

If you want Socialism to work you would have to absolutely destroy what makes us human. Selfishness, greed, hate, etc. Every negative emotion or thought that could get in the way of Socialism would have to be utterly brainwashed as the ultimate evil. Hitler attempted to create such a socialist paradise and if he would have won World War 2 he could have been very successful, but at the cost of many lives until he over time successfully brainwashed every person the planet. Socialism isn't worth the cost because it can be even more forceful than Communism. Even Bernie Sanders recommended and praised the policies of Venezuela and look what the country is going through now. They now have a dictator who will attempt to kill any opposing party or people who refuse to be dependent on the socialist system or do not have a set of certain beliefs this is what Socialism leads to. So the real question that must be ask is how many people must die for Socialism how much discrimination will it take and how many men, women and children have to die for the sake of a singular point of view to be successful?

Capitalism isn't perfect, given, but it is far better compared to Socialism or Communism. That is the real point of having two-party system more so in US election. A balance between two sets of beliefs and coming up with middle-man decisions that benefits all than just 1 group, but sadly that balance has shifted and swayed to the point of potential no return and we could swing between Communism or Socialism and if that happens in the US, the US will fall like every other civilization who has switched to either Communism and Socialism and be another reminder in history why you make middle-man decisions. Not left or right.

 

[John]

There is always the argument, though, that capitalists hate socialism but won't provide jobs to make up for it. Do you all agree?

You do have to understand that to get a job, you're required to contribute something to the workplace. If you don't, you won't have a job. Under socialism, you get a job, but people who have actual skills are punished due to your incompetence.

 

[Jason76]

I hear these arguments. Nonetheless, I think the conservative side is a bit more shady. For instance, Ronald Reagan reduced taxes and most government programs, but he increased military spending. But that was fine, no big deal - because the US simply lived off credit. However, nowadays, the current president is planning another "Ronny", so to speak, but it could lead to a collapse (crash) cause the borrowing scheme doesn't work anymore.

Anyway, I don't want to let Bill Clinton off the hook for repealing the Glass-Stegall act. I wouldn't say the whole corrupt thing is due to one party.

There is always the argument, though, that capitalists hate socialism but won't provide jobs to make up for it. Do you all agree?

You do have to understand that to get a job, you're required to contribute something to the workplace. If you don't, you won't have a job. Under socialism, you get a job, but people who have actual skills are punished due to your incompetence.

A lot of this stuff seems like a way to distract people from the failing of the "US Credit Scheme" as noted above.