Circumcision

[fantanoice]

Thats a completely different thing, this is something which doesn't need to be done and has been proven so, but the US continues to do it.

"In America!"

But seriously, Americans are really backwards when it comes to this issue, for reasons stated previously.

 

[katy perry is hot]

Anesthetic on infants can be very very dangerous, and can result in death.

Well then thank God we are leaving the circumcisions to trained professionals and not the homeless person around the corner.

What are you talking about? http://www.google.com/search?q=anesthesia+infants it has nothing to do with who's doing it

Are you kidding? A good chunk of the world is circumcised and not mentally deficient. If it really were proven to cause serious mental deficiencies, then neo-natal anesthetics wouldn't even exist. It is you, sir, with the awful argument 🙂

The writer of the associated content article (which has no sources in it) has this for her qualifications. "Jamie K. Wilson is the wife of a US sailor and mother of two teen boys, one Marine, and two beautiful baby girls. The family hails from Louisville, Kentucky originally"

So she's the wife of a US sailor, ok, so she's a doctor and she knows this stuff like the back of her hand.

 

[Hobbies230]

Anesthetic on infants can be very very dangerous, and can result in death.

Well then thank God we are leaving the circumcisions to trained professionals and not the homeless person around the corner.

What are you talking about? http://www.google.com/search?q=anesthesia+infants it has nothing to do with who's doing it

You're going to have to do better than that. As Irviding already pointed out, the number of circumcised, mentally deficient people is insignificant compared to the number of circumcised and mentally healthy. There are anesthetic risks for each and every surgery, which is why we have anesthesiologists.

The link you provided is hardly constructive. Matter of fact, the most relevant result is the first, which Irviding has already dealt with.

 

[Gimgak]

ITT: Americans try to feel better about their mutilated dicks while the rest of the world laughs.

But in all seriousness, it should be the parents decision. You have a 50 / 50 gamble that your kids will hate you for it, but in the end they will anyway 😛


edit:

He was an especially zealous campaigner against masturbation; this was an orthodox view during his lifetime, especially the earlier part. Kellogg was able to draw upon many medical sources' claims such as "neither the plague, nor war, nor small-pox, nor similar diseases, have produced results so disastrous to humanity as the pernicious habit of onanism," credited to one Dr. Adam Clarke. Kellogg strongly warned against the habit in his own words, claiming of masturbation-related deaths "such a victim literally dies by his own hand," among other condemnations. He felt that masturbation destroyed not only physical and mental health, but the moral health of individuals as well. Kellogg also believed the practice of "solitary-vice" caused cancer of the womb, urinary diseases, nocturnal emissions, impotence, epilepsy, insanity, and mental and physical debility; "dimness of vision" was only briefly mentioned.
[edit] Drastic measures

Kellogg worked on the rehabilitation of masturbators, often employing extreme measures, even mutilation, on both sexes. He was an advocate of circumcising young boys to curb masturbation and applying phenol (carbolic acid) to a young woman's clitoris. In his Plain Facts for Old and Young,[5] he wrote
“ A remedy which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision, especially when there is any degree of phimosis. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anesthetic, as the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment, as it may well be in some cases. The soreness which continues for several weeks interrupts the practice, and if it had not previously become too firmly fixed, it may be forgotten and not resumed. ”

and
“ In females, the author has found the application of pure carbolic acid [phenol] to the clitoris an excellent means of allaying the abnormal excitement. ”

He also recommended, to prevent children from this "solitary vice", bandaging or tying their hands, covering their genitals with patented cages, sewing the foreskin shut and electrical shock.[5]

In his Ladies' Guide in Health and Disease, for nymphomania, he recommended
“ Cool sitz baths; the cool enema; a spare diet; the application of blisters and other irritants to the sensitive parts of the sexual organs, the removal of the clitoris and nymphae...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg

The mystery is solved, circumcision apparently helps prevent the scourge of god that is masturbation.

 

[Antarctic]

Not as functional as it would be with a foreskin. and unless you got circumcised after you became sexually active, you won't know what a fully functioning pen is is like.

Have you ever been circumcised?

How would you know?

I haven't, No.

How i know because when you get circumcised, you lose hundreds of thousands of nerve endings which are in the foreskin, making sex more pleasurable for the woman and man, the foreskin also highly increases womens pleasure because the foreskin when it retracts stimulates the womans vagina more than it does without a foreskin.

Also, when you are circumcised, you lose a lot of sensitivity, not only from losing the foreskin, but your head is always exposed, thus making it less sensitive.

The only reason women in America think intact pen is' are ugly is because chances are they have never had sex with a guy who was intact, and they don't know what it's like, but that will change in the next generation because less and less people are getting it done.

Circumcision is unnecessary, America just likes to defend it because they think they are right all of the time, and can never be proven wrong, but at the end of the day, it's the men and women who are missing out on having sex with a normal penis, the way nature intended it to be, and not to have it cut part of your pen is cut off.

 

[Hobbies230]

Circumcised or not, sex is plenty pleasurable for everyone. Wouldn't say anyone is "missing out" on anything.

 

[Gimgak]

Circumcised or not, sex is plenty pleasurable for everyone. Wouldn't say anyone is "missing out" on anything.

Except for rapists who meddle with an anti rape condom purchaser

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*Not actual device

 

[Kino]

As a point to Irviding, babies when they are born have the most sensitive nerve endings on their bodies that they'll have through their entire lifetime.

 

[Jonathan]

Well then thank God we are leaving the circumcisions to trained professionals and not the homeless person around the corner.

What are you talking about? http://www.google.com/search?q=anesthesia+infants it has nothing to do with who's doing it

Are you kidding? A good chunk of the world is circumcised and not mentally deficient. If it really were proven to cause serious mental deficiencies, then neo-natal anesthetics wouldn't even exist. It is you, sir, with the awful argument 🙂

The writer of the associated content article (which has no sources in it) has this for her qualifications. "Jamie K. Wilson is the wife of a US sailor and mother of two teen boys, one Marine, and two beautiful baby girls. The family hails from Louisville, Kentucky originally"

So she's the wife of a US sailor, ok, so she's a doctor and she knows this stuff like the back of her hand.

I wasn't even talking about that article, LOL. I was making a point that it is known infants and anesthetic don't go well together. I have a good friend who's a paramedic and has told me that when giving infants anesthetic you have to be extremely careful and very conservative in how much you give. It is absolutely true that infants can die from it, the risk is far decreased with age.

 

[Logan18]

Circumcision is unnecessary, America just likes to defend it because they think they are right all of the time, and can never be proven wrong, but at the end of the day, it's the men and women who are missing out on having sex with a normal penis, the way nature intended it to be, and not to have it cut part of your pen is cut off.

For most people yes, it is unnecessary but I've read articles where people get circumcised at a later age because of health reasons.

Like Hobbies230 said, it's pleasurable enough for everyone, circumcised or not (besides rapists).

 

[Hobbies230]

Well then thank God we are leaving the circumcisions to trained professionals and not the homeless person around the corner.

What are you talking about? http://www.google.com/search?q=anesthesia+infants it has nothing to do with who's doing it

Are you kidding? A good chunk of the world is circumcised and not mentally deficient. If it really were proven to cause serious mental deficiencies, then neo-natal anesthetics wouldn't even exist. It is you, sir, with the awful argument 🙂

The writer of the associated content article (which has no sources in it) has this for her qualifications. "Jamie K. Wilson is the wife of a US sailor and mother of two teen boys, one Marine, and two beautiful baby girls. The family hails from Louisville, Kentucky originally"

So she's the wife of a US sailor, ok, so she's a doctor and she knows this stuff like the back of her hand.

I wasn't even talking about that article, LOL. I was making a point that it is known infants and anesthetic don't go well together. I have a good friend who's a paramedic and has told me that when giving infants anesthetic you have to be extremely careful and very conservative in how much you give. It is absolutely true that infants can die from it, the risk is far decreased with age.

Sounds to me like any typical caution doctors must take when dealing with surgery and anesthesia. Babies may be more at risk, but how is that any different from people with high blood pressure, who also have an increased risk?

Like I said, this is why we have trained professionals.

 

[Jonathan]

So great - we have trained professionals? Does that decrease the risk? Do they have a magic little touch they give to the anesthetic to make it instantly safe with no possible risk, regardless of who is being put under anesthesia?

 

[Hobbies230]

You are totally missing the point I am making. With EVERY surgery and EVERY patient there comes risks, not even just with anesthesia, but the operation in general, and from what I can gather from the Google link that you provided the supposed increased risk for babies under anesthesia is no different than someone who has, for example, high blood pressure. The doctors know much more about this than either you or me, they know how to minimalize the risks and avoid problems.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

With EVERY surgery and EVERY patient there comes risks

True story. Not just with cutting part of a pen is off, with every kind of surgery. You could be getting hip surgery and spontaneously code right in the middle of the surgery. Rare, but it happens.

 

[Jonathan]

You are totally missing the point I am making. With EVERY surgery and EVERY patient there comes risks, not even just with anesthesia, but the operation in general, and from what I can gather from the Google link that you provided the supposed increased risk for babies under anesthesia is no different than someone who has, for example, high blood pressure. The doctors know much more about this than either you or me, they know how to minimalize the risks and avoid problems.

SO WHY CIRCUMCISE BABIES FOR NO REASON?!?!? You're completely missing the point I'm making and going into an irrelevant and obvious spouting of randomness.

If there's a risk of the baby dying for whatever reason, why do it just to avoid a few comments for a few years in high school?

 

[Hobbies230]

You are totally missing the point I am making. With EVERY surgery and EVERY patient there comes risks, not even just with anesthesia, but the operation in general, and from what I can gather from the Google link that you provided the supposed increased risk for babies under anesthesia is no different than someone who has, for example, high blood pressure. The doctors know much more about this than either you or me, they know how to minimalize the risks and avoid problems.

SO WHY CIRCUMCISE BABIES FOR NO REASON?!?!? You're completely missing the point I'm making and going into an irrelevant and obvious spouting of randomness.

It may seem unnecessary and abnormal to you, but it may not be for them. There may not be any direct benefits of circumcision, but it's the norm in places like America, which is why a lot parents put their babies through the procedure. That may seem like a pointless reason to put the baby through the surgery, but it's their decision. You are acting like they are horrible people for putting their baby in a position where it might possibly die or develop some sort of deficiency, even though the chances of something like that happening are far less likely than you getting in a car wreck on your way home from the hospital and the baby is killed.

 

[katy perry is hot]

You are totally missing the point I am making. With EVERY surgery and EVERY patient there comes risks, not even just with anesthesia, but the operation in general, and from what I can gather from the Google link that you provided the supposed increased risk for babies under anesthesia is no different than someone who has, for example, high blood pressure. The doctors know much more about this than either you or me, they know how to minimalize the risks and avoid problems.

SO WHY CIRCUMCISE BABIES FOR NO REASON?!?!? You're completely missing the point I'm making and going into an irrelevant and obvious spouting of randomness.

If there's a risk of the baby dying for whatever reason, why do it just to avoid a few comments for a few years in high school?

Because it's not your decision, it's the parent's call. I wouldn't want my kid to be made fun of in High School for that. And as hobbies just said, there's a chance of you getting into a car accident on the way home, so should we just leave the baby in the hospital forever? What if the light falls on the crib? What if the crib somehow falls over?

And by the way, your friend is a paramedic, good, but again, he's not an anesthesiologist. A paramedic requires like 1,000 hours of classroom and field instruction. That's no where even near what a MD/DO needs. Like I said, medical professionals who specialize in anesthesiology have been doing this procedure for a very long time, and it seems to work just fine when done under a professional's direction. The baby doesn't feel any pain, and it's taken care of without any real serious issues.

 

[Jonathan]

SO WHY CIRCUMCISE BABIES FOR NO REASON?!?!? You're completely missing the point I'm making and going into an irrelevant and obvious spouting of randomness.

If there's a risk of the baby dying for whatever reason, why do it just to avoid a few comments for a few years in high school?

Because it's not your decision, it's the parent's call. I wouldn't want my kid to be made fun of in High School for that. And as hobbies just said, there's a chance of you getting into a car accident on the way home, so should we just leave the baby in the hospital forever? What if the light falls on the crib? What if the crib somehow falls over?

And by the way, your friend is a paramedic, good, but again, he's not an anesthesiologist. A paramedic requires like 1,000 hours of classroom and field instruction. That's no where even near what a MD/DO needs. Like I said, medical professionals who specialize in anesthesiology have been doing this procedure for a very long time, and it seems to work just fine when done under a professional's direction. The baby doesn't feel any pain, and it's taken care of without any real serious issues.

It is the parents call, but once again it will effect the person for the rest of their lives which is unfair. Driving home obviously has a clear purpose. There are many more reasons why you should drive home than not. There aren't, however, more reasons for being circumcised at birth than being uncircumcised.

I wasn't saying he was qualified in that way, either, but as he has to put people under anesthesia on a daily basis so he knows what he's doing. More so than I or you do.

 

[Hobbies230]

SO WHY CIRCUMCISE BABIES FOR NO REASON?!?!? You're completely missing the point I'm making and going into an irrelevant and obvious spouting of randomness.

If there's a risk of the baby dying for whatever reason, why do it just to avoid a few comments for a few years in high school?

Because it's not your decision, it's the parent's call. I wouldn't want my kid to be made fun of in High School for that. And as hobbies just said, there's a chance of you getting into a car accident on the way home, so should we just leave the baby in the hospital forever? What if the light falls on the crib? What if the crib somehow falls over?

And by the way, your friend is a paramedic, good, but again, he's not an anesthesiologist. A paramedic requires like 1,000 hours of classroom and field instruction. That's no where even near what a MD/DO needs. Like I said, medical professionals who specialize in anesthesiology have been doing this procedure for a very long time, and it seems to work just fine when done under a professional's direction. The baby doesn't feel any pain, and it's taken care of without any real serious issues.

It is the parents call, but once again it will effect the person for the rest of their lives which is unfair.

I don't think a guy is going to at any time in his life look down and think to himself, Damn, I really wish I had my foreskin.

 

[Logan18]

SO WHY CIRCUMCISE BABIES FOR NO REASON?!?!? You're completely missing the point I'm making and going into an irrelevant and obvious spouting of randomness.

If there's a risk of the baby dying for whatever reason, why do it just to avoid a few comments for a few years in high school?

Because it's not your decision, it's the parent's call. I wouldn't want my kid to be made fun of in High School for that. And as hobbies just said, there's a chance of you getting into a car accident on the way home, so should we just leave the baby in the hospital forever? What if the light falls on the crib? What if the crib somehow falls over?

And by the way, your friend is a paramedic, good, but again, he's not an anesthesiologist. A paramedic requires like 1,000 hours of classroom and field instruction. That's no where even near what a MD/DO needs. Like I said, medical professionals who specialize in anesthesiology have been doing this procedure for a very long time, and it seems to work just fine when done under a professional's direction. The baby doesn't feel any pain, and it's taken care of without any real serious issues.

It is the parents call, but once again it will effect the person for the rest of their lives which is unfair. Driving home obviously has a clear purpose. There are many more reasons why you should drive home than not. There aren't, however, more reasons for being circumcised at birth than being uncircumcised.

I wasn't saying he was qualified in that way, either, but as he has to put people under anesthesia on a daily basis so he knows what he's doing. More so than I or you do.

How will the way your penis look effect you for your whole life?