Do you believe that climate change is true? I have been reading some articles that the hype on climate change is for political purposes only and that climate change is not really true. But for my personal observation, I have noticed the fruiting season of the trees in our backyard and there is a change. My dragon fruit used to bear flowers (and fruits) by September but now it's only May and it already has bloomed with some fruits. So maybe climate change is already here.
Climate change
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I think it's true to a point, sort of like with the pro-health movement. However, to accept either philosophy as a way of life is insane. For instance, I don't think drinking a soda a day is the same as smoking a pack of cigarettes a day - but some think otherwise.
Bluezone777
Dinner Team Leader
It doesn't really matter if we are to blame or not because if we really believed we were to blame, it still wouldn't move anyone to do anything meaningful to reverse it. We much rather keep our fuel and electricity dependent conveniences even at the expense of the planet. A good example of this is all those Climate change people using the very things that cause the damage they want to reverse or stop yet seem to have n problem flying around in jumbo jets and driving around in cars to spread tehir message about climate change. Most people are convinced that it won't be their generation that has to pay if they even believe in the existence of climate change so they don't mind letting some distant generation pay for it later and the generation that pays for it would have been more than happy to make a future generation pay for it if they could do so. That's human nature for you.
This -- partly. I'd believe climate change more if not for these types of things: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-private-jet-14-car-convoy-attend-summit.html - if President Obama believed this was such a big deal, wouldn't he attempt to reduce his own emissions?
Moving on: I think that climate change is partly a real thing. The Earth's temperature changes on a scale over millions of years. It's been doing that before SUVs and airplanes. The bull in climate change is anyone attempting to convince people that we're responsible for it, and that there's truly anything we can do to stop it. Throughout the Earth's history, temperature has always fluctuated.
Also - anyone who says [x] amount of scientists believes in it doesn't fully understand history. We once thought the Earth was flat, a planet Vulcan was responsible for certain planetary alignments, and smoking cigarettes was a good thing for your health. All of these theories were debunked at some point in history (and some morons still believe in them), but they're obviously not true at this point. All things in science require an understanding of various things, and sooner rather than later, it will be seen that climate change is hogwash thrown around by fearmongers. I mean... consider that in the 70's, many "climate scientists" thought that the Earth was cooling! http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washing...+Held+Dawn+of+New+Ice+Age&pqatl=top_retrieves
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Cancer research is a trillion dollar industry.
Climate Change research is becoming a trillion dollar industry.
Has Cancer research turned up any results? Yes and no. Yes they have a cure, but is it for you? No.
Has Climate Change researched turned up any results? Yes and no. Yes they blame humans and green house gases, etc. Do they have a way to stop it? No.
Reality here is why are we attempting to stop which may be possibly considered natural when you really do deep research yourself. Into the concept Climate Change pushing narrative they have been pushing? If so many things to blame and they even admit themselves as long as human exists 'Climate Change' will happen regardless. In my personal opinion based off my own personal research and what I have read from even official sources. It just sounds like we're spending to much money on trying to stop something that can't be stopped than asking the big question as to how can we protect lives of what may happen when it does, but who cares about human life, right?
Climate Change research is becoming a trillion dollar industry.
Has Cancer research turned up any results? Yes and no. Yes they have a cure, but is it for you? No.
Has Climate Change researched turned up any results? Yes and no. Yes they blame humans and green house gases, etc. Do they have a way to stop it? No.
Reality here is why are we attempting to stop which may be possibly considered natural when you really do deep research yourself. Into the concept Climate Change pushing narrative they have been pushing? If so many things to blame and they even admit themselves as long as human exists 'Climate Change' will happen regardless. In my personal opinion based off my own personal research and what I have read from even official sources. It just sounds like we're spending to much money on trying to stop something that can't be stopped than asking the big question as to how can we protect lives of what may happen when it does, but who cares about human life, right?
Climate changes were part of our world long before we existed and will be part of the world with or without us. It's just how it goes. As our planet spins and moves around the sun, its trajectory changes. It might not be a big change, but in millions of years it will be. It's a slow process that nobody can stop. The very fact that our sun will slowly turn into a red giant one day will also mean that the climate will keep getting worse and worse when our solar system gets close to that point. Not in our lifetime, no worries 🙂 In fact, it will mean the end of our solar system as well since the Sun will expand so much and when it gets to the critical point it will emit lots of destructive waves through the system before it dies and becomes white dwarf.
Bluezone777
Dinner Team Leader
I think people confuse the belief that climate change exists versus us being the primary cause of it. There is ample evidence for the existence of climate change and I doubt there is anyone seriously denying its existence as the real debate lies in whether we are having any meaningful effect towards it which I seriously doubt. If anything, it just shows how arrogant man is to actually believe that we could seriously affect the climate of an entire planet in a matter of a few hundred years. I wonder if anyone even thinks that just maybe nature itself is rapidly speeding up climate change far more then it did in the past versus us having anything to do with it which seems to be the going assumption because the alternative doesn't lead to a pay day for anyone.
There is a consensus between scientists in the field that climate change is 1) happening, and 2) is caused by human actions. There are of course natural fluctuations within the climate, but these have been accelerated by human behaviour.
If you went to a hundred doctors and 97 of them told you that you have diabetes, while the three others blame your blood's sugar levels on natural fluctuations - you would be insane to not trust the 97 first ones. It is the same thing happening with beliefs regarding climate change: many people believe what the few say because it's a less scary and more satisfying belief.
I see that both here and elsewhere a lot of people hold that all of world's researchers on the topic are being bribed and controlled to give false information and lies about humanly caused climate change is real. To that, I say this. Firstly, these are speculations without any factual hold, and once we believe to know things without having the facts to back it up we get a very strange, dangerous and subjective understanding of what truth is. Secondly, the claim of economic powers bribing climate changers to say that there is climate change doesn't make that much sense. There is a whole lot more money within companies and governments that deal with oil, gas and other fossil fuels than there are within the renewable energy sector. If anything, it would be the fossil sector bribing the scientists, not the other way around.
If you went to a hundred doctors and 97 of them told you that you have diabetes, while the three others blame your blood's sugar levels on natural fluctuations - you would be insane to not trust the 97 first ones. It is the same thing happening with beliefs regarding climate change: many people believe what the few say because it's a less scary and more satisfying belief.
I see that both here and elsewhere a lot of people hold that all of world's researchers on the topic are being bribed and controlled to give false information and lies about humanly caused climate change is real. To that, I say this. Firstly, these are speculations without any factual hold, and once we believe to know things without having the facts to back it up we get a very strange, dangerous and subjective understanding of what truth is. Secondly, the claim of economic powers bribing climate changers to say that there is climate change doesn't make that much sense. There is a whole lot more money within companies and governments that deal with oil, gas and other fossil fuels than there are within the renewable energy sector. If anything, it would be the fossil sector bribing the scientists, not the other way around.
Bluezone777
Dinner Team Leader
Popularity/being in the majority doesn't equate being right. Galieo was severely punished in his day for insisting that the Earth wasn't the center of the universe yet so many claimed he was wrong but he was the one who was right in spite of the overwhelming majority saying otherwise.
It is not the answer they give that matters as much as how they got to that answer is what determine who you should or shouldn't believe. Just saying X amount of people believe this doesn't mean much if you don't know how they got to that conclusion.
It is not the answer they give that matters as much as how they got to that answer is what determine who you should or shouldn't believe. Just saying X amount of people believe this doesn't mean much if you don't know how they got to that conclusion.
davidsmith
Acquaintance
Climate change is happen and many are experiencing the changes. Storms, untimely rain and snowfall are all testimonials to the fact that there is something that is not right with the environment. We have to the be blamed for it, over exploitation of resources, increase in greenhouse gases, pollution, etc. are all leaving a bad impact on our environment and it is resulting in climate change. There is no denying of the fact the issue is given a political turn, but climate change is real.
Has it ever been clearly confirmed that those factors did actually speed the climate changes? Those are just speculations. Climate changes have been a part of our planet since forever, like I have said earlier. Ice age, for example. We did not make it go away. Yet, it was part of our planets climate. Exploitation of resources does not have to do anything with us affecting climate changes. It just does not make sense. Pollution and greenhouse effect could be a part of the reason, but this is only a small part of the much bigger picture. The ultimate change is been going on since the very start of our solar system. Sun is born, it lives, as it lives its power source slowly changes. It takes gazillions of years, but it is a thing that has been part of every solar system out there, and it will be a part of every solar system. Sun will slowly expand as it is reaching its ending stage, and by expanding the temperatures on all planets around it will probably jump a lot. Before it finally dies and becomes a white dwarf it will emit waves of energy that would most likely burn everything in the system. Those are just speculations as well, but behind every speculation there is someone who has devoted his time and knowledge to learn more about said subject.
So, climate changes. Yes. They are real. Are we the ones to blame? No. Our impact is minimal. The only thing you are damaging is the Earth itself. Dumping waste, nuclear or any other, you are not helping your planet. That is what everyone should focus on, not the climate change. It will keep changing no matter what we do. It is the Earth we have to take care about.
Earth can live without us, but we can not live without it. Keep damaging the Earth and you will eventually reach the point where it will backfire at you. Earth will regenerate. We wont.
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