Closed Source vs Open Source

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This is an interesting one.

Firstly, open source doesn't necessarily mean free and closed source doesn't necessarily mean paid.

It's basically whether the source-code for a piece of software is visible, that a user may modify, and that they may redistribute it (often with clauses restricting this capability like forcing them to keep copyright headers and in the case of the AGPL which no one really uses other than MongoDB, even forcing them to distribute all modifications back to the community).

Once a novelty, open source has taken the world by storm. Most major programming language runtimes are open source, as is the operating system Linux, the database MySQL, etc.
With open source, the theory is that a greater number of eyes will pick up on bugs, security vulnerabilities, etc. than closed software which keep the operations of their systems secret.

Closed source is preferred by businesses (particularly the more traditional ones), however as it helps to create an illusion of security by hiding it's behaviour (security by obscurity), it helps them to keep control out of the hands of the users, so that they can add features at their leisure and at their desired price points, and it means that their creations can never be used against them.

Plus, it helps with getting acquired when the buyers get complete control of the platform rather than having... technicalities and... issues pop-up.

Many of the commercial forum software with this model come from an earlier time with different traditions and practices, plus it was more difficult for them to find ways to monetise reliably.

Discourse has managed to monetise open source by providing a SaaS platform for businesses starting at $100/month with the biggest perks being support from the Discourse Team themselves (rather than likely clueless interns at a major hosting provider) and getting their features prioritised in the software.

In addition to that, due to it being open source, anyone can use it and contribute back to it, providing them with a vast amount of free labour with many features and bug-fixes being contributed in every cycle.
Plus, they don't have a "developer tax" aka needing to buy a piece of software to develop for it, so people can casually develop for it as a hobby and quite a few JS related YouTube channels have hopped onto teaching people how to develop Discourse plugins.

NodeBB is similar to Discourse, but without Jeff Atwood's business acumen, resources, and generally with less direction and vision, although some of their themes are a lot more palatable than Discourse.

Other open source systems, in other words, the pure blooded ones who don't charge people money for services are MyBB, phpBB, SMF, etc. although they've been greatly disadvantaged by their philosophies.

I can personally see a lot more things going open source in the future.
 
Well, it's interesting to note that free and open source stuff hasn't produced the socialism many feared! In fact, premium stuff is still on top. For instance, MyBB is awesome, but I don't see a dent in XenForo's popularity.
 
Well, it's interesting to note that free and open source stuff hasn't produced the socialism many feared! In fact, premium stuff is still on top. For instance, MyBB is awesome, but I don't see a dent in XenForo's popularity.
MyBB has a bit of a problem with it's image.

A lot of it has to do with the fact that the default theme isn't mobile capable, even if some third party ones are. Plus, you can only get alerts via Euan's plugin rather than the core which means finding some way to force it into your theme.

There were also the theme selector and Twitter incidents, but I don't think people would still hold it *that* against them after three years.

With the theme selector incident, there was a SQL Injection vulnerability in the theme selector, of such a nature that any ten year old with a copy of sqlmap could exploit, the person managed to get away with half of MyBB.com's user table.

Also, they got into a staff area during that time, stole MyBB's Twitter Password, locked them out, and mocked them for two weeks with their account before MyBB managed to get the account back.

There was also an incident where someone uploaded a virus to MyBB's Github, so that anyone who logged into the admin control panel of a MyBB installation for a few hours until it was discovered would wind up compromised.
 
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A lot of it has to do with the fact that the default theme isn't mobile capable, even if some third party ones are. Plus, you can only get alerts via Euan's plugin rather than the core which means finding some way to force it into your theme.

Half of all web users, maybe more, are on mobiles! It seems like they would change the default to be mobile-ready. Anyway, what about SMF or phpBB? How is their default stuff?
 
Half of all web users, maybe more, are on mobiles! It seems like they would change the default to be mobile-ready. Anyway, what about SMF or phpBB? How is their default stuff?
To be honest, I don't really know, I know that phpBB has alerts now, but the theme looks as ugly as ever.

And to be honest, a mobile is a pain to use a forum on, even if it is mobile friendly, I'll usually opt for a real computer when possible (although, this doesn't mean I won't make mobile friendly themes lol).

Also, the ads on mobile tend to be things out of the depths of hell like things immediately redirecting you off the page.
 
And to be honest, a mobile is a pain to use a forum on, even if it is mobile friendly, I'll usually opt for a real computer when possible (although, this doesn't mean I won't make mobile friendly themes lol).

It's not a matter of what you like, the public likes mobiles.
 
It's not a matter of what you like, the public likes mobiles.
Are you really going to be writing long form content on a touch screen?

I don't like mobiles much either for net searching or forums etc. but I suppose people are drawn by the low cost of a mobile vs computer and portability.

Oh, yeah, and the big one: the bundled internet with mobile plans!
 
I don't like mobiles much either for net searching or forums etc. but I suppose people are drawn by the low cost of a mobile vs computer and portability.

Oh, yeah, and the big one: the bundled internet with mobile plans!
Mobile promotes a very consumerist view of the web. You scroll through a bunch of short tweets and quickly consume information while not really consuming anything of substance.

This is one of the reasons that "forums are dying".

For those who aren't really dying, they are still winding up promoting short posts over long ones, in other words, quick consumables over quality content.
It's not just a matter of slapping a responsive design on a site, a mobile is fundamentally different from a desktop.
 
I don't like mobiles much either for net searching or forums etc. but I suppose people are drawn by the low cost of a mobile vs computer and portability.

Oh, yeah, and the big one: the bundled internet with mobile plans!
Mobile promotes a very consumerist view of the web. You scroll through a bunch of short tweets and quickly consume information while not really consuming anything of substance.

This is one of the reasons that "forums are dying".

For those who aren't really dying, they are still winding up promoting short posts over long ones, in other words, quick consumables over quality content.
It's not just a matter of slapping a responsive design on a site, a mobile is fundamentally different from a desktop.

The customer is always right! 😉
 
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