Current Administration vs Past Administrations

I Voted For...

  • Obama

    Votes: 7 63.6%
  • McCain

    Votes: 4 36.4%
  • Bush

    Votes: 2 18.2%
  • Kerry

    Votes: 3 27.3%
  • Bush

    Votes: 2 18.2%
  • Gore

    Votes: 3 27.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    11
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Saruman

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Chicago Tax Day Tea
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"Anti CNN?" "Pro Fox?" Give me a break lady, its people like you who confuse the the already confsed.
She isn't even a "reporter" shes a "journalist" lol.

The Obama Deception HQ Full length version
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What else can I say..."Hail King" haha...

911 Loose Change (full-length)
[youtube]7E3oIbO0AWE[/youtube]
I could go on forever about this...

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I love our country to death, I despise our government and the politicians involved with it, and a few journalists. ~wink~
 
Now you're posting the Obama Deception?

I think I'm going to stay out of this thread in order to prevent myself from punching the wall down reading all this right wing conspiracy crap.
 
I hate the Obama Deception. Alex Jones is CONINTELPRO. He tried to blacken the name of Bill Cooper, and commited many crimes.

Although, what do you think of the rest, Irviding?
 
There are only three letters that can even come close to showing my disbelief in this load of crap. O...M...G....

I'm getting rid of the videos, people can see them in your post.


Saruman said:
Chicago Tax Day Tea
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"Anti CNN?" "Pro Fox?" Give me a break lady, its people like you who confuse the the already confsed.
She isn't even a "reporter" shes a "journalist" lol.

What are you talking about, can't you see how stupid this tea party thing is? Not to mention that Fox has distorted more information than you will ever know. I could make a three thousand page book off Fox News' lies. Second, let's talk about the tea parties shall we.

Ok, you win, lets get rid of taxes. But first, I think I oughta give a list of all the things you won't get anymore, just so you know.
First, no more Medicare and Medicaid.
If a disaster strikes, your on your own.
Oh, the gonverment won't be building anymore roads, bridges, or tunnels. No more clean water. The police and fire departments will not get anymore funding. So you'll either have to pay taxes for those things, or fight crime on your own, which will be hard since the bad guys will be able to get weapons without forms or anything.
Oh and the armies, no more funding, so when the next Al-Qaeda attack comes, don't come crying to the now strangely absent government, cause you wanted it destroyed so, that's what you'll have to live with.


Saruman said:
The Obama Deception HQ Full length version
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What else can I say..."Hail King" haha...

You should be calling it the republican deception. I wouldn't put it pass bush to do some of the things they talked about, but Obama, you mean the guy who lowered taxes on middle class, and raised it on rich? The guy that's been here for 5 months?

Saruman said:
911 Loose Change (full-length)
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I could go on forever about this...

And this has what to do with Obama?

Saruman said:
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I love our country to death, I despise our government and the politicians involved with it, and a few journalists. ~wink~

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The government has done some bad things, that's why Obama is trying to change things, and we don't need you blasting away everything he does.

Saruman said:
The last thing us "government-taxpaying-law-abiding-citizens" need, is for the government to dictate us what violates liberty and what doesn't, even though dictating is violating OUR liberty to begin with.

This Government is as corrupt as they come, as is with most past and present administrations.

What exactly has Barack Hussein Obama done for me that has benefited me in any way?

It was during his administration that my employer filed for bankruptcy due to Obama's "Take from the rich, give to the poor" agenda's.

The man, nor his administration can't be trusted,

I didn't vote to get some other politician in, I voted to keep "Barack HUSSEIN Obama" out!

Bush's War on terrorism may have cost billions, Obama's war on OUR FREEDOM has cost US Trillions.

Oh, you just had to add that Hussein in all caps there didn't you. Why don't we all associate names with bad people. That'll make us a better country. Shame on you. ~mad~

This man can't be trusted only because you don't like him, he did nothing to make you think this way, you probably just don't want a democrat in office.


Saruman said:
This somes it up pretty nicely...
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Sums what up?

Saruman said:
Eric Holder, I Would Restrict The First Amendment On The Internet
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Eric Holder Anti-2nd Amend.
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Pelosi & Holder are seeking to introduce laws that would inhibit us citizens from enjoying the 2nd amendment.
The same amendment which enables me to carry a concealed weapon.

They say they want to rid the "bad guys" of guns, yet, they want to rid us citizens of the 2nd amen, albeit ridding us citizens of guns to protect us from the bad guys with guns. ~rolleyes~

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Yeah, let's get bash the guy who's trying to get rid of guns, cause guns are our lifestyle, and these peace freaks need to suck it up. People don't need military weapons to defend themselves, if you knew anything about Obama's stance on civilians carrying weapons you would know that it's assult weapons he wants banned from use.

Saruman said:
I avoided voting in this administration since their "leader," Obama is a fraud and goes against what this country was founded on...(Christianity, life, liberty, happiness, freedom, choices, etc...) ...

Oh sure, and we always held those things dear, killing Indians, Mexicans, and all those things, so christian. Oh, BTW, Obama is a christian. But you probably think he's a muslim, as if it would affect his judgment being so. Happiness? So you support Gay marrige? Homosexuals would be very happy if they could marry. Choices? So you support Abortion? That's a choice. Freedom? So... you support socialism? That's a very freedom oriented line of thought. You probably don't know anything about it though.

Saruman said:
obama broken promises
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"I'll bring our troops home by mar 31 2009" haha, give me a break, I swear the guy sleeps with flip-flops more than with his wife.

You have no idea what he's doing, do you. All you see is the cover, you have no idea why Obama does the things he does, he did not have access to the information in his campaign that he does now, what to you is a broken promise may of been the only choice he had.

Saruman said:
Obama on Iraq; Pull Out, Stay, Pull Out, Stay Longer?

Flip-flops again...

Obama changes stance on Iraq
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Forgive me for my sins messiah, lol
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Obama Says The Surge Will Fail, We Will Fail.
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I wander if he orders his flip-flops online or purchases them at a store...
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Obama Admits; "Surge has Succeeded" On O'Reilly Factor
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"We're still spending 10-12 billion dollars a month" ... and up to today, how much have you spent, mr. messiah?
"We've waisted 10 billion dollars" ... those 10 billion dollars included our troops and their equipment, mr. heaven chief.
yada yada yada blah blah blah is he done chirping like a wingless bird??

What about the 4 "bail-out" packages that were supposedly meant to jump start our economy?
What about working with the climatologists on the hypothetical "global warming" of our planet which is actually cooling...
Chirp chirp chirp, lol

Why don't you stop chirping like a dumbfounded bird.

You act as if Obama is so bad, what on earth has he done to deserve your mindless droning, besides winning the election?


Saruman said:
Me: Your messiah has failed you!
Obama Supporter: Don't blame him, he's just a little inexperienced is all
Me Quoting Obama: Chirp, chirp, chirp...

Wow, looks like your sanity has failed you.

Saruman said:
Bush went after Saddam, supposedly he had wmd, and the democrats critisized him and his administration for that.
Now, we have Saddam gone, and Kim for N. Korea, who has wmd, and is threating the u.s. and we have this current administration who is doing what exactly...resolutioning them to death... ~rolleyes~

Which leads me to my conclusion...

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Jesus lady, go make your life worth something and pay your own dam bills, instead of chirping about the false messiah...

Holy mackeral. Messiah? You obviously don't understand how regular people feel, so stop acting as if you are their voice.

Why don't you say that to the right-wing wacks that want taxes obliterated.

What do you want Obama to do? Attack N. Korea? That always answers our problems doesn't it.
 
haha i love how you talk about Fox distorting news and NBC and CBS hasnt even talked about the cap and trade act, the LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN AMERICAN HISTORY. or how obama is already on pace to TRIPLE the national debt. thats just a few things. so dont call Fox distorted. congrats to Saruman for showing some balls and posting videos straight from politicians mouths. some of that may be skewed, but at least look at what came straight from the politicians mouthes
 
A few words...

Your income tax: Doesn't pay for shit. It goes to paying back your part of the giant debt you racked up for the past 60-odd years.

Guns: Very simply, you take guns off of the poor and middle class, then all you have are rich people, police, and criminals with guns. Garaunteed.
Looking at history... did giving absolute power to criminals, the rich, and the police superior power ever end up well?

They're disarming the world. It's a prime aim of the United Nations. And the reason for this is simply that they want power.

Since guns were made, they were in the hands of everyone. Children didn't go nuts shooting their classmates and children, people didn't run around murdering eachother. Can't you see that maybe you're being influenced to do these things so our rulers can say "Ah.. hand them over", just so they can come to your home any time day or night with a few guns and order you to perform and move as they bid you to?

Have you ever been arrested? Unlawfully arrested? Ever been held in a cell with absolutely no choice but to surrender your body to these fascist cunts, simply because they have guns?

It's the first step to Fascism. All Fascist countries did it, including Nazi Germany. Disarm the population and demonise anyone who has anything negative to say about the state.
Just because our dictators change every few years, doesn't change the fact they're dictators.
 
ummm when guns were made illegal in Canada, the crime rate went up. so don say guns are bad. it makes people think twice before they try to hold a knife to me somewhere
 
Howard_Crane said:
A few words...

Your income tax: Doesn't pay for ****. It goes to paying back your part of the giant debt you racked up for the past 60-odd years.

Guns: Very simply, you take guns off of the poor and middle class, then all you have are rich people, police, and criminals with guns. Garaunteed.
Looking at history... did giving absolute power to criminals, the rich, and the police superior power ever end up well?

They're disarming the world. It's a prime aim of the United Nations. And the reason for this is simply that they want power.

Since guns were made, they were in the hands of everyone. Children didn't go nuts shooting their classmates and children, people didn't run around murdering eachother. Can't you see that maybe you're being influenced to do these things so our rulers can say "Ah.. hand them over", just so they can come to your home any time day or night with a few guns and order you to perform and move as they bid you to?

Have you ever been arrested? Unlawfully arrested? Ever been held in a cell with absolutely no choice but to surrender your body to these fascist cunts, simply because they have guns?

It's the first step to Fascism. All Fascist countries did it, including Nazi Germany. Disarm the population and demonise anyone who has anything negative to say about the state.
Just because our dictators change every few years, doesn't change the fact they're dictators.

As I said above I'm not involving myself in this debate but Howard if you keep using words like the one I bolded you're not going to be debating much anymore.
Watch the language and stay civil.
 
gqgk said:
haha i love how you talk about Fox distorting news and NBC and CBS hasnt even talked about the cap and trade act, the LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN AMERICAN HISTORY. or how obama is already on pace to TRIPLE the national debt. thats just a few things. so dont call Fox distorted. congrats to Saruman for showing some balls and posting videos straight from politicians mouths. some of that may be skewed, but at least look at what came straight from the politicians mouthes

I'm going to call Fox distorted because they are. If you would actually look at other news sources you would see that.

One thing, why is it that republicans always congratulate one another for talking about or posting factually inaccurate or biased materials? Just a question.


Howard_Crane said:
A few words...

Your income tax: Doesn't pay for ****. It goes to paying back your part of the giant debt you racked up for the past 60-odd years.

Guns: Very simply, you take guns off of the poor and middle class, then all you have are rich people, police, and criminals with guns. Garaunteed.
Looking at history... did giving absolute power to criminals, the rich, and the police superior power ever end up well?

They're disarming the world. It's a prime aim of the United Nations. And the reason for this is simply that they want power.

More right-wing conspiracy theories... great. I know that in the past things like this had happened, the government used to be joined at the hip with businesses, but the fact is, Obama isn't trying to take away all guns, he wants assault weapons gotten rid of.

As for the United Nations thing, in all honesty, it's the businesses that would want guns off limits. And if the government wants to do that, why won't they do it already? Oh wait, I know, the government has a plan, they will pretend to be honest people, lull the people into false security, then, they -under the guise of peace lovers, will snatch the guns right from under our noses. Not bad for a democrat. -D-


Howard_Crane said:
Since guns were made, they were in the hands of everyone. Children didn't go nuts shooting their classmates and children, people didn't run around murdering eachother. Can't you see that maybe you're being influenced to do these things so our rulers can say "Ah.. hand them over", just so they can come to your home any time day or night with a few guns and order you to perform and move as they bid you to?

Um... what? That really didn't make a whole lot of sense.
Are you saying that classmates that shoot other classmates are really just brainwashed government suicide assassins, and that they kill as so to influence people to turn guns over? That's all I got out of that statement.


Howard_Crane said:
Have you ever been arrested? Unlawfully arrested? Ever been held in a cell with absolutely no choice but to surrender your body to these fascist cunts, simply because they have guns?

It's the first step to Fascism. All Fascist countries did it, including Nazi Germany. Disarm the population and demonise anyone who has anything negative to say about the state.
Just because our dictators change every few years, doesn't change the fact they're dictators.

I'm guessing you have been unlawfully captured before one or twice? There is a thing, you may not know about it, it's called... the system. The Justice System. I know, it's horrible, the police come, ransack your house, and throw you in jail... taking away our right to murder other people at will. How fascist.

Nazi Germany? You're comparing the U.S to Nazi Germany? -n- Nazi Germany were racists, they killed in the thousands. Where on earth do you come up with these ideas, do you honestly think that the government could get away with doing any of that? Imagining they did anything like that.

Listen, I know the government has done very bad things in the past, they have been greedy, selfish, and quite a bit of other things so the rich could stay rich. They still aren't perfect, they could change, by a quite a bit, but these ideas are insane.
First off, why would they want to disarm us?
Second, how could they keep illegal weapons from getting in our hands? Saying they took legal weapons away.
Third, let's imagine the government has become a dictatorship, what would they do if we all just stopped doing what they said, regardless of the risks? They aren't stupid, saying they thought about this, they would know that doing this would be stupid in so many ways.
 
hmmm did you ready where i said some of it was biased. and do you realize maybe CBS and NBC are also biased. or did you not read a single word about how they havent broadcasted anything about the largest tax hike ever or about the national debt that bush doubled, obama is now tripling. so how bout next time you look at statistics and see what your news tells you. because there is no such thing as a news channel that is not biased. so before you reply read the whole post
 
Oaerkae, hi. Nice to have someone intelligent ask questions for a change.

I'll answer the few questions in random order. lol

btw: Not a Right-Wing Conspiracy nut. I hate that term. Call me a conspiracy nut all you want, but I'm certainly not right-wing. You can't contain me in some little cubicle, just so I'm easier for you to understand. I'm a living human being, with opinion, some of which may sound like the X-Files stereotype.
If you look at me as a human being, maybe you might be open to the idea that there could be reasons behind what I believe.

Why would the government want to disarm us?
Yeah, you had a good point. To cease all co-operation with the government despite all risks, effectively dissolving the government. That'll work. But unlikely to happen. Because it seems that this system we live under thrives off of dividing and conquering. I'm sure you've heard the concept in school or elsewhere, as I have. And it seems to be a story that has unfolded throughout generations.
Believe it or not, an odd 1,000 years ago Ireland and the rest of Britain were one race. One culture. And one overarching "Religion". We were brothers. (this concept that Britain didn't no IRELAND exists is false. We had many landbridges to there in the past, and we're absurdley close). We took in many refugees, from many parts of the globe, as we've sent people all over the globe. Yet we did not fight with eachother. It was only when the German aristocracy moved into England, did the devisions begin. Now you have.. Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland, Scottland, Wales, and Britain! 5 sectors of ONE continent, at eachother's throats. But at the end of the day, they're all ruled by one fist.
This happens in gender world, other ethnicities, and economically. Economics is the big one. Our economic system assures that 90% of a population (say here in Galway, with a population of 20,000 nearing 30) never meet eachother, have meaningful exchanges, or give a shit about one another.

This is why I believe guns should be in the hands of the poor. And this isn't the scariest thing for the governments of the world, but rather it's a small worry. The major worry is whether we're clued into the game or not.

As a student of NLP (hypnosis), I've come to the understanding that we're already under some degree of 'mind control'. We're controlled through our words, we're controlled by the legal system, we're controlled by economic coercion. But mostly with words.

As for the legal system:
Are you accusing me of desiring to murder someone? Let's not exaggerate things here.
The fact of the matter is, if a government has changed colours, the society has (microcosm-macrocosm). Policeforces all around the world assume it their right to throw their weight around and enforce right-wing fantasies by way of intimidation, violence, and false imprisonment.

Here's a few examples of the corrupt legal system:
West Memphis, smallish town, 3 young children found dead in a forest. Bound by ropes. Naked. And we now know they were raped. 3 teenage boys were lifted from a local highschool. Weirdos, you know? Long hair, Metallica fans. One of these 3 friends was slightly retarded; and after two days the cops manage to get a statement out of him. He said the three boys murdered the kids and went to school. We always knew that was BS because the boys died at 4 PM.
This goes to court. And with zero circumstantial evidence or solid evidence, the three boys were sent to prison. 2 got life, and 1 got deathrow.
We now know it as absolute fact who the real murderer is, and with DNA evidence we didn't have back then, we have no links to the 3 teenagers at all. Yet... they're still locked up! And nothing has changed. Why? Because the legal system is corrupt. No one wants to lose their careers they built out of the case.

The Ministers of Justice from all over the EU decided they'd have a meeting in my city. One day, they decided to take a walk under armed supervision. So me and the Socialists, Anarchists, and attention-grabbing young politicians posted ourselves at the head of a street they would walk down. We distributed our propaganda. And everything was groovy. We got some harrassment from the cops. We weren't doing anything wrong, so the cops had to move on.
They finally came down the street, and one particular Anarchist known to us only as The Black Pope, decided to follow them and give leaflets to people as they passed. He began to broadcast anti-EU slogans from his mouth. He was grabbed by security and rammed against a stone wall (splitting his skull), then brought to the local policestaion and put in a cell.
We had to go down there, and make noise about this in front of the cop's station for them to bring him to the hospital.

During that time I was unallowed, by law, to approach the cop station and enquire directly about him.

The reason this doesn't happen to you every day is because the door is there, you think it's unlocked, but you haven't tried to open it yet. Once you even try to step through, you get all the wrong attention from all the wrong people. But you're ok, you're not living under Fascism. You can set up your forum, and say all you want online, and play videogames and watch manga. You're free!

If this isn't Fascism, what is?

Now I'm bursting for a crap. So I'll go into mind control drones after 🙂
 
Howard_Crane said:
Oaerkae, hi. Nice to have someone intelligent ask questions for a change.

I'll answer the few questions in random order. lol

btw: Not a Right-Wing Conspiracy nut. I hate that term. Call me a conspiracy nut all you want, but I'm certainly not right-wing. You can't contain me in some little cubicle, just so I'm easier for you to understand. I'm a living human being, with opinion, some of which may sound like the X-Files stereotype.
If you look at me as a human being, maybe you might be open to the idea that there could be reasons behind what I believe.

First off, thank you for telling me this, I've been under the impression that you are a right-winger.
I don't think you are sub-human or anything for thinking what you are thinking, and I should of stated my desire to understand your opinion earlier... maybe we would of understood each other better if I had.


Howard_Crane said:
Why would the government want to disarm us?
Yeah, you had a good point. To cease all co-operation with the government despite all risks, effectively dissolving the government. That'll work. But unlikely to happen. Because it seems that this system we live under thrives off of dividing and conquering. I'm sure you've heard the concept in school or elsewhere, as I have. And it seems to be a story that has unfolded throughout generations.
Believe it or not, an odd 1,000 years ago Ireland and the rest of Britain were one race. One culture. And one overarching "Religion". We were brothers. (this concept that Britain didn't no IRELAND exists is false. We had many landbridges to there in the past, and we're absurdley close). We took in many refugees, from many parts of the globe, as we've sent people all over the globe. Yet we did not fight with eachother. It was only when the German aristocracy moved into England, did the devisions begin. Now you have.. Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland, Scottland, Wales, and Britain! 5 sectors of ONE continent, at eachother's throats. But at the end of the day, they're all ruled by one fist.
This happens in gender world, other ethnicities, and economically. Economics is the big one. Our economic system assures that 90% of a population (say here in Galway, with a population of 20,000 nearing 30) never meet eachother, have meaningful exchanges, or give a **** about one another.

I understand what you are saying, our government actually used to divide people using racism, I think you should read Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States", it talks about that.

Howard_Crane said:
This is why I believe guns should be in the hands of the poor. And this isn't the scariest thing for the governments of the world, but rather it's a small worry. The major worry is whether we're clued into the game or not.

I'm ok with that too, but the problem starts once assault weapons are available to the public (rich or poor).

Howard_Crane said:
As a student of NLP (hypnosis), I've come to the understanding that we're already under some degree of 'mind control'. We're controlled through our words, we're controlled by the legal system, we're controlled by economic coercion. But mostly with words.

As for the legal system:
Are you accusing me of desiring to murder someone? Let's not exaggerate things here.
The fact of the matter is, if a government has changed colours, the society has (microcosm-macrocosm). Policeforces all around the world assume it their right to throw their weight around and enforce right-wing fantasies by way of intimidation, violence, and false imprisonment.

Relax... I am not accusing you of that.
Yes, but how often does it happen, we know it happens, we know it has happened, I just don't think that it is as "big" of a problem as you are making it out to be, and that in general, the government has begun to fight against it. I'm not saying it isn't a problem though.


Howard_Crane said:
Here's a few examples of the corrupt legal system:
West Memphis, smallish town, 3 young children found dead in a forest. Bound by ropes. Naked. And we now know they were raped. 3 teenage boys were lifted from a local highschool. Weirdos, you know? Long hair, Metallica fans. One of these 3 friends was slightly retarded; and after two days the cops manage to get a statement out of him. He said the three boys murdered the kids and went to school. We always knew that was BS because the boys died at 4 PM.
This goes to court. And with zero circumstantial evidence or solid evidence, the three boys were sent to prison. 2 got life, and 1 got deathrow.
We now know it as absolute fact who the real murderer is, and with DNA evidence we didn't have back then, we have no links to the 3 teenagers at all. Yet... they're still locked up! And nothing has changed. Why? Because the legal system is corrupt. No one wants to lose their careers they built out of the case.

The Ministers of Justice from all over the EU decided they'd have a meeting in my city. One day, they decided to take a walk under armed supervision. So me and the Socialists, Anarchists, and attention-grabbing young politicians posted ourselves at the head of a street they would walk down. We distributed our propaganda. And everything was groovy. We got some harrassment from the cops. We weren't doing anything wrong, so the cops had to move on.
They finally came down the street, and one particular Anarchist known to us only as The Black Pope, decided to follow them and give leaflets to people as they passed. He began to broadcast anti-EU slogans from his mouth. He was grabbed by security and rammed against a stone wall (splitting his skull), then brought to the local policestaion and put in a cell.
We had to go down there, and make noise about this in front of the cop's station for them to bring him to the hospital.

During that time I was unallowed, by law, to approach the cop station and enquire directly about him.

The reason this doesn't happen to you every day is because the door is there, you think it's unlocked, but you haven't tried to open it yet. Once you even try to step through, you get all the wrong attention from all the wrong people. But you're ok, you're not living under Fascism. You can set up your forum, and say all you want online, and play videogames and watch manga. You're free!

If this isn't Fascism, what is?

Now I'm bursting for a crap. So I'll go into mind control drones after 🙂

I feel bad for those teens, (adults by now I reckon), I would of supported them being released as well.
One thing I am thinking though, how involved was the government in all this? Were they the backbone behind the whole thing, or was it just the corrupted policemen and judges doing it all?

I am very glad that you have told me more about your motives for all this, I have been responding off what I have been getting, if I had understood your ideas better, I would of been able to respond differently.

Listen, don't think of me as all government, non-people person. The only reason I think the government isn't as bad as you think it is, is because I think they have things that benefit people, and that some of the politicians I like, want to do right for their country, not always. But I am more pro-government, and more anti-corporation. Just know that.

I know the legal system isn't always good, if you've ever watched "Law and Order" you'll see all the technicalities really screw the whole thing up on both sides sometimes. Murderers can get away with their crime just because the search warrant only covered the house, while the gun was found in the car. Things like that.

Another thing, I have been responding to Saruman's view of things, I have seen you as a supporter of the crap he has been throwing around, and I was especially angry after Saruman pulled that stunt highlighting Obama's middle name as if to imply that he is a terrorist, or sub-human because of his name. I saw you as a supporter of his ideas, that's one of the reasons I was angry.

I personally think Obama has the people's interests at heart, the fact that he dived into the slums of Chicago to clean it up, and that he has been doing major stuff even though he has been on office only months, gives me the impression that he wants to help, regardless of how he does it.
 
yay! We can understand eachother.

As I've said, Obama Deception is rubbish. There's a lot more out there on Obama, and I don't care for that either. My issue is with Presidents. Not Pres. Obama. I don't see a link between a President and Presidential moves. One seems to be consistent with the last, maybe from a different angle. Like how Bush Snr. bombed Iraq, Clinton bombed Iraq, then Bush Jnr bombed Iraq. The common thread is that America and Iraq have an issue. But people see three mildly related issues.
The difference is subtle. Simply because that's the best way to do it.

I expect very little from STATES (not exactly government). In that way, I am a bit of a "right-winger" or "Randian" or whatever. I believe if anything at all, it should just be an intermediary in civil matters. Like just today my friend had the cops called on him for harrassing his ex for money she stole. They did a smashing job at keeping them from hurting eachother and what not. But they could not intervene on a civil matter (she owed him money). This is a corruption of the organic function of a government. Maybe in the 1800s in America, they could have sorted this out. But this is 21st Century Ireland.
And so, I have zero tolerance for any State.

Mine and your country are States. There's actually no such thing as your government anymore. It was dissolved in the '30s due to bankruptcy. And a State protects alright: it protects property. So that's the sole job of our 'governments' these days, is to protect property. It's actually in the Irish Constitution, outlining the role of our police force. And as for our lives, we're technically the property of the State too. Our governments owe money to international interests. So our bodies are collatoral for this. This is why we're not in a free system like early America where if I had a problem with you, and you had a problem with me, we could go outside and shoot eachother dead without the law getting involved.
This is why an adult can't intake certain things into his or her body like THC and certain other psychoactive chemicals: because either A) it'll kill you or main you or B) It opens your eyes to the scam.

The legal system isn't on our side. Period.

http://www.wm3.net - You can support the West Memphis Three by getting yourself educated (a lot involved), adding them to your MySpace, and maybe joining an action group in your locality.
And yes, they are adults by now. And one of them's married lmfao!

It's not that I doubt your President. It's that I doubt he has much weight to throw around.
Ever since he got elected, he's had this REEEEEALLY defeated tone in his voice. He sounds like a mouse appealing to a lion for his life. I think he may do "good things" (good things aren't always good for you 😉 ), but there may be some "good things" he's not allowed to do. Like put an end to all the wars America is currently having. The first President to do that would have had about 30 assaination attempt on him.

My favourite comedian, Bill Hicks, once said he envisioned when you get elected to office you get brought into this dark smoky room with people sitting around a table. And the guy at the top puffs his big cigar and says "Roll the clip". A screen comes down and it shows the Kennedy assasination from an angle no one's seen before. The video ends, the screen goes up, and the man asks "Any questions?" and the guy answers "uh... heh.. just what my presidential policy is"

I bet you, word for word, this is what happens 😛
Because America is at the mercy of not just international financiers, but the military industry. An industry that builds bombs, tanks, jet fighters, guns and ammunition, and missiles too. And they make a lot of these things. The problem is, they want to keep that rate of efficiency going so their profit doesn't drop. Which is natural in all industries. So that means America and her allies need to buy these things. And why would you buy something you don't use? Soon, they'd have to store all this stuff in the desert. It just wont happen unless a war is engineered.
Now given that the current political structure you're running in America has an inherent flaw; any shmuck with enough money can get into it: engineering a few wars will be a breeze.
Especially since the FBI's Project Mockingbird. This is what set my alarm bells off about that ranting nutcases Alex Jones. The station he's on is a subsidiary of CBS and CBS was infiltrated by government concerns under Project Mockingbird. This is documented, btw.

Don't you think, perhaps we and our society are being subtextually manipulated to render a specific effect?
Look at Edward Barnes. Evil nephew of Sigmund Freud. Used his uncle's psychological theories to serve America and Britain's commercial sector. He revolutionised marketting.
When the Suffragettes were doing their marches, he was hired by a consortium of tobacco companies to get women to start smoking. He advised them to donate cigarettes to the Suffragettes. Tell them it's their way of being level with the men. Tell them to walk down the street during their march as an example of their rebelion.
Edward knew that the cigarette was a phallic symbol. He knew the power a woman could imagine and appear to weild by smoking one.

Brainwashing seems far out and crazy until you realise there's actually a science behind it.
 
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