Demotion Forums - Why the Classic Services No Longer Tick
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Only point I can really think to argue on in post exchanges/packages. It depends who you do a post exchange with, you should be able to tell if someone is a good/bad poster, your own fault if you do a post exchange with a spammer. It's a small short term boost... nowt wrong with it. Packagers on FP generally don't spam and aren't a problem. As for reviews, meh, it's nice to get detailed opinions on your site.
IMO this topic was a waste of your time seeing as it doesn't affect you in the slightest and you don't have a blog for this as far as I know.
Only point I can really think to argue on in post exchanges/packages. It depends who you do a post exchange with, you should be able to tell if someone is a good/bad poster, your own fault if you do a post exchange with a spammer. It's a small short term boost... nowt wrong with it. Packagers on FP generally don't spam and aren't a problem. As for reviews, meh, it's nice to get detailed opinions on your site.
IMO this topic was a waste of your time seeing as it doesn't affect you in the slightest and you don't have a blog for this as far as I know.
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I think you got it major wrong on the reviews bit, I'm a reviewer with a site with less than 10,000 posts, so by your comments makes me inexperienced to review a site but if you knew my background you would know that I have a plenty, you can't not tar every reviewer with the same tag.
I think you got it major wrong on the reviews bit, I'm a reviewer with a site with less than 10,000 posts, so by your comments makes me inexperienced to review a site but if you knew my background you would know that I have a plenty, you can't not tar every reviewer with the same tag.
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I don't think the credibility of a reviewer should be based on how many posts his/her own forum has, but moreso based on how long he/she has been running forums, and the level of maturity of that specific individual.
I don't think the credibility of a reviewer should be based on how many posts his/her own forum has, but moreso based on how long he/she has been running forums, and the level of maturity of that specific individual.
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I will add you to the lsit of experienced reviewers on FP. Glad to hear we have some experience here. 🙂 I am speaking of bad reviewers, not those who actually know what they are talking about.richazey said:
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I am an ex-reviewer who has only had limited success with his own forums (Combiboland is an exception), but I have also had positions on a few larger communities including Forum Advertiser and Forum Promotion. I have also been on forums for several years of my relatively short existence. My reviews were often very well received, and I did help a few forums improve a bit. I'm not sure if this qualifies me as an "experienced" reviewer, but I think I did some fairly good reviews. I have always told people that their users are the most important reviewers they have, though. Suggestions posted by their users always take precedence over my advice.
I am an ex-reviewer who has only had limited success with his own forums (Combiboland is an exception), but I have also had positions on a few larger communities including Forum Advertiser and Forum Promotion. I have also been on forums for several years of my relatively short existence. My reviews were often very well received, and I did help a few forums improve a bit. I'm not sure if this qualifies me as an "experienced" reviewer, but I think I did some fairly good reviews. I have always told people that their users are the most important reviewers they have, though. Suggestions posted by their users always take precedence over my advice.
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Some good points there 🙂 I see where you're coming from but some things I don't agree with, post exchanges for example. It depends on who you do it with. 🙂
Some good points there 🙂 I see where you're coming from but some things I don't agree with, post exchanges for example. It depends on who you do it with. 🙂
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The reviewer should be active (or was active; 2000 posts) on at least 3 large forums, ie. 500 000 + posts, in order to give a valid review, as well as have seen many active and successful forums.
Packages are free posts, so I can't argue with that.
For me, I use thread ads for the traffic, not really gaining members etc. I need traffic as opposed to other things, so it works from my stats.
Banner Ads and so forth are like the thread ads. I just want traffic and impressions.
The reviewer should be active (or was active; 2000 posts) on at least 3 large forums, ie. 500 000 + posts, in order to give a valid review, as well as have seen many active and successful forums.
Packages are free posts, so I can't argue with that.
For me, I use thread ads for the traffic, not really gaining members etc. I need traffic as opposed to other things, so it works from my stats.
Banner Ads and so forth are like the thread ads. I just want traffic and impressions.
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Well I must say that quite a few things in the first post are wrong. I mean yeah they have some valid points coming across but some thins must get pointed out. First thing that everyone seems to be picking up on is the reviews section.
Reviewers should be rated per their experience with the web and forums/website and all. Take me just as an example. My forum currently has just under 10k posts. However I have been on the web and gaining understanding of it for about 5 years now and have visited many different genres and many different softwares so thats me.
It is quite easy to get labeled as an experienced reviewer because your forum has over 10k posts but some forum owners will get tons and tons of members because they are seen as 'famous' in a community of people.
Second thing, packages and post exchanges. These, and I'm talking mainly post exchanges are a bit hit and miss. I have had a few people in the past that have stayed and become fairly active out of a swap of 5 posts. So it depends who your dealing with. This goes for the same with packages.
Now onto thread advertising. It does seem to me that you are more likely to get exposure from having a promotion forum when using 'basic promotion' then you are with general discussion and other types. The cause for this is people just want to advertise other places but the thing is FP is one big community so people wont gain any new members because everyone is going round in circles advertising everywhere.
Now onto banners and such, which work in the same way as what I've mention just above. I for one can say the chances of me clicking a banner at the top of FP or clicking a featured forum link is incredibly low, because none of them appeal to me. Which will be the same to other people as well. So it proves that promotion forums only work for so long then they fail.
Anyway that's my take on it.
Well I must say that quite a few things in the first post are wrong. I mean yeah they have some valid points coming across but some thins must get pointed out. First thing that everyone seems to be picking up on is the reviews section.
Reviewers should be rated per their experience with the web and forums/website and all. Take me just as an example. My forum currently has just under 10k posts. However I have been on the web and gaining understanding of it for about 5 years now and have visited many different genres and many different softwares so thats me.
It is quite easy to get labeled as an experienced reviewer because your forum has over 10k posts but some forum owners will get tons and tons of members because they are seen as 'famous' in a community of people.
Second thing, packages and post exchanges. These, and I'm talking mainly post exchanges are a bit hit and miss. I have had a few people in the past that have stayed and become fairly active out of a swap of 5 posts. So it depends who your dealing with. This goes for the same with packages.
Now onto thread advertising. It does seem to me that you are more likely to get exposure from having a promotion forum when using 'basic promotion' then you are with general discussion and other types. The cause for this is people just want to advertise other places but the thing is FP is one big community so people wont gain any new members because everyone is going round in circles advertising everywhere.
Now onto banners and such, which work in the same way as what I've mention just above. I for one can say the chances of me clicking a banner at the top of FP or clicking a featured forum link is incredibly low, because none of them appeal to me. Which will be the same to other people as well. So it proves that promotion forums only work for so long then they fail.
Anyway that's my take on it.
el canadiano
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As much as I agree with you, I have some problems...
There are forums where I go to where people who do post exchanges ACTUALLY make more posts on the on-topic forums than off-topics, regardless of genre (they look up the genre to know a thing or two). Also, I've really been pushing Admin Community's parcel team to do the same.
As much as I agree with you, I have some problems...
Cosmic said:
There are forums where I go to where people who do post exchanges ACTUALLY make more posts on the on-topic forums than off-topics, regardless of genre (they look up the genre to know a thing or two). Also, I've really been pushing Admin Community's parcel team to do the same.
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I think the only reason you don't like reviews are because maybe you have had really bad reviews for your own forum and you just can't get over the fact that not everyone likes your forum. And you don't have to be a forum owner with 10,000 posts and more to be an excellent reviewer, you have to know what people like a bit about graphics, and the best ways to help forums grow. As 10,000 posts could be just all spam from packages and post exchanges.
I think the only reason you don't like reviews are because maybe you have had really bad reviews for your own forum and you just can't get over the fact that not everyone likes your forum. And you don't have to be a forum owner with 10,000 posts and more to be an excellent reviewer, you have to know what people like a bit about graphics, and the best ways to help forums grow. As 10,000 posts could be just all spam from packages and post exchanges.
el canadiano
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He got a 95 and an 80 on his reviews here. The 95 also came from a reviewer with a harsh reputation as well.
lorcan said:
He got a 95 and an 80 on his reviews here. The 95 also came from a reviewer with a harsh reputation as well.
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@el canadiano: TAZ is not a promotion forum.
@lorcan: I have gotten good and bad reviews from this forum. As I know you are big on promotion source, I will tell you that I got one good review from PS out of 2 total. The new full review they have is actually a very good service and I find it adequate compared to many other review services. No one is forcing anyone to review. If they are not experienced they should not apply.
Also, in future, please add comments to your -reps. The only justification I see is that you don't agree with me. :lol:
@el canadiano: TAZ is not a promotion forum.
@lorcan: I have gotten good and bad reviews from this forum. As I know you are big on promotion source, I will tell you that I got one good review from PS out of 2 total. The new full review they have is actually a very good service and I find it adequate compared to many other review services. No one is forcing anyone to review. If they are not experienced they should not apply.
Also, in future, please add comments to your -reps. The only justification I see is that you don't agree with me. :lol:
el canadiano
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Don't know if it's just me, but I find reviews should be qualitative rather than quantitative. That way, we can truly judge a review.
Don't know if it's just me, but I find reviews should be qualitative rather than quantitative. That way, we can truly judge a review.
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Whatever, If you have a better way of judging them then I am all ears, but I would imagine that we all can tell with a glance at a reviewer's forum to see if he is very experienced. Regardless of how they are judged, I think that promotion forums should not hire reviewers who don't actually know what a good and active site needs for success. It goes without saying that creating an active site themselves is a key part of this. I would hope that a reviewer who claims to know how to make a forum active has done this before. No matter how many scuba-diving books you have read, can one teach someone how to scuba-dive without having done it themself?
Whatever, If you have a better way of judging them then I am all ears, but I would imagine that we all can tell with a glance at a reviewer's forum to see if he is very experienced. Regardless of how they are judged, I think that promotion forums should not hire reviewers who don't actually know what a good and active site needs for success. It goes without saying that creating an active site themselves is a key part of this. I would hope that a reviewer who claims to know how to make a forum active has done this before. No matter how many scuba-diving books you have read, can one teach someone how to scuba-dive without having done it themself?
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So in this whole post, you are putting down FP and it's services? I have gotten so much from just one Featured Forum placement here on FP. It does help.
Further more, is the definition of a promotion forum what you said above?
I highly disagree with everything and think this is a shameful post. Buying Posts Packages is just like buying posts when one starts a professional forum. Almost every forum made, the Admin buys posts from a private posting company. Not many do that here because of the fact of Exchanges/Post Packages. So, ya.
So in this whole post, you are putting down FP and it's services? I have gotten so much from just one Featured Forum placement here on FP. It does help.
Further more, is the definition of a promotion forum what you said above?
I highly disagree with everything and think this is a shameful post. Buying Posts Packages is just like buying posts when one starts a professional forum. Almost every forum made, the Admin buys posts from a private posting company. Not many do that here because of the fact of Exchanges/Post Packages. So, ya.
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Shameful post? I am disagreeing with some of you and offering my opinion and somehow it is shameful. It seems, on this forum, all promotion forums are simply untouchable. You will be despised if you don't say "Good luck with your forum". Seriously, this whole "Disagreeing with mi FPZ is shameful" is ludicrous. Just an observation, but everyone who strongly disagrees with me is somehow personally offended by the thread because they see my comments as questioning the greatness of whatever position they have on some promotion forum. I don't give a <bleep> about you or your forum if you actually do a good job. If you take offense from this post, then you are admitting that you are one of these unskilled people I refer to.
On to your post, THT:
Shameful post? I am disagreeing with some of you and offering my opinion and somehow it is shameful. It seems, on this forum, all promotion forums are simply untouchable. You will be despised if you don't say "Good luck with your forum". Seriously, this whole "Disagreeing with mi FPZ is shameful" is ludicrous. Just an observation, but everyone who strongly disagrees with me is somehow personally offended by the thread because they see my comments as questioning the greatness of whatever position they have on some promotion forum. I don't give a <bleep> about you or your forum if you actually do a good job. If you take offense from this post, then you are admitting that you are one of these unskilled people I refer to.
On to your post, THT:
I am putting down the stereotypical promotion forum's service. Did you not read my disclaimer?
This is hard to prove. Do you have analytics to support this?
I don't get what you mean.
See above.
There is a quality difference, particularly with smaller promotion forums. Trust me, I HAVE had a promotion forum package team post a thread asking favorite colors on my forum once. One package team member replies to said there with their favorite color in a 3 word post. If needed, I can cite a friend of mine who claims that a package team from a promotion forum broke the rules of his forum.
Citation?
Or because they don't have $$$.
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Well if people didn't hire people who didn't know what they were doing how would people get taught? Why should teachers, teach kids when teachers haven't tried the jobs themselves? Life is all about learning, if no one would help anyone then we'd all be living in the stone age where nothing was ever done. Just my opinion.
Cosmic said:
Well if people didn't hire people who didn't know what they were doing how would people get taught? Why should teachers, teach kids when teachers haven't tried the jobs themselves? Life is all about learning, if no one would help anyone then we'd all be living in the stone age where nothing was ever done. Just my opinion.
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