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Does God Exist?
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Victim said:
Just seeing isnt believing. If you have faith, and believe in God with all your heart, you will sense him and know he is there.
You need to truly believe in him. He is a holy eternal light, and eternal love. No-one can prove the lord. You have to believe in him. -happy-
I do not. I suspect he was 'made up' to account for anything that couldn't be explained.
Of course this was 2,000+ years ago, with todays technology and knowledge we can explain a lot of the things which were once 'created by god'
This has been well documented and even given a name, a "god of the gaps argument" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the ... dern_usage which is just an argument from ignorance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_f ... e#Examples
Of course this was 2,000+ years ago, with todays technology and knowledge we can explain a lot of the things which were once 'created by god'
This has been well documented and even given a name, a "god of the gaps argument" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the ... dern_usage which is just an argument from ignorance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_f ... e#Examples
Presty Willow
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Have you all ever heard of Thomas Aquinas' 5 proofs for God's existence?
Ghosts.... 😛+kingzai said:
Anyway, I personally do not believe that one exists. I was made a christian by my parents, forced to attend the sunday schools and masses. However, once I was old enough to think actually think for myself, I nearly had a heart attack.
You expect me to believe a "god", supreme being of sorts, it out there. He was able to get a girl pregant without any sexual contact, and give birth to a son who would later walk on water and rise from the dead. Seems like a children story, which wait, arnt they told as children stories no different from santa and the easter bunny?
Virgin Mary was made because the church thought that sex was "dirty" and considered it more or less a loose sin (seeing as preists cant marry).
If you ask me, it was simply created as all stories are, some one clever finding a way to make children behave. It got slightly out of hand and with lack of real communication between cities, it became an old wives tale of sorts. From there it only got bigger.
It is nothing more than a story. The biible has been written several different times, and dont forget, back in the feudalism times, priests couldnt read/write (before printed materials really took off) so they were teaching untrue things. For all any of you know, the original bible could have been talking about something entirely different.
On the other hand, I dont see how this statement fits either:
"In the beginning of time...there was nothing. Then it exploded."
So I choose to not believe anything at all, and go my own way. I am here to live my life, maybe make something of myself or help someone, maybe be a hardened crimal mastermind. That fate is my own to be choosen and I wont allow a childs store to decide my future.
Its late, and probably the better half of that is misspelled x.x
Aikaterine
New Arrival
Yes. They all suck. Read The God Delusion.
Aikaterine
New Arrival
Just because you don't understand the actual theory doesn't mean that it didn't happen; and you obviously don't understand it.
Aikaterine
New Arrival
Just some quotes I like. Sorry for posting three times in a row.
"Plain fact is, religion must die for mankind to live. The hour is getting very late to be able to indulge in having key decisions made by religious people, by irrationalists, by those who would steer the ship of state not by a compass but by the equivalent of reading the entrails of a chicken."
"Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking. It's nothing to brag about, and those who preach faith and enable and elevate it are our intellectual slaveholders, keeping mankind in a bondage to fantasy and nonsense that has spawned and justified so much lunacy and destruction."
-Bill Maher
"Plain fact is, religion must die for mankind to live. The hour is getting very late to be able to indulge in having key decisions made by religious people, by irrationalists, by those who would steer the ship of state not by a compass but by the equivalent of reading the entrails of a chicken."
"Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking. It's nothing to brag about, and those who preach faith and enable and elevate it are our intellectual slaveholders, keeping mankind in a bondage to fantasy and nonsense that has spawned and justified so much lunacy and destruction."
-Bill Maher
Oh, I understand it. I was making it simple though, as things are best viewed at their most simple points. Im not saying it didnt happen, I actually believe that over a zombie guy (rose from the dead) who was his own father (indirectly) anyday of the week.Aikaterine said:
Fact remains, however, I will never believe anything 100% until one way is proven.
Aikaterine
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It's not proven, but there are lots of other things that aren't proven either. We have a good amount of evidence.
Your simplification of it makes it misleading; it's a horrible simplification.
Your simplification of it makes it misleading; it's a horrible simplification.
Presty Willow
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Aikaterine said:
That's rather hasty of you to say. I, myself, am an agnostic looking at everything from a logical standpoint, taking in the facts and evaluating them in a very selfish way. All of St. Thomas Aquinas' proofs make sense. You have to put a lot of though into them in order to understand them but they all make sense. So, you may ask why I don't believe that God exists if all of those proofs make sense? I have a simple answer: I choose not to. Plain and simple. Those who do not believe in God choose to ignore theo-logic and stick with more selfish and, if you ask me, primitive logic.
I'm taking an Apologetic class at school, imbibing, if you will, the information and analyzing it like I have stated above. But because I don't want a God to exist, I choose not to believe even though there are clearly many reasons provided for me to believe.
Aside from the 5 proofs of St. Thomas Aquinas, I have other arguments that prove God's existence if you'd care to hear them...
I dont think so but it dosnt hurt to belive in him haha. All i think god is is a made up thing that older cilivizations made up to explain things. Think about the last time you asked god for something, did you get it?? Now of course if you ask god for a million dollars you prob arnt going to get it, iam talking about asking god for like lets say confedence to speak infront of people b/c you have a project coming up the next day in school were you will have to do that. Since the whole story behind god is so moving just the simple act of believing in him slightly and praying to him will help you speak infront of those people.
Its hard to explain but that what i think.
Its hard to explain but that what i think.
I'm not afraid to say that I'm not a believer of God. In the beggining of time, there was nothing, right? However, there are 2 things that is nothing and something at the same time: light and darkness. Light and darkness are nothing at all, but they still have meanings. Even if there truley was nothing in the very beggining, there had to be something to start this universe, and that's what nobody doesn't understand. No technology, solutions, or brainpower can harness the real truth. Many people believed that there was one thing that started the universe: the atom. If that is true, then how is it possible? There has to be something created in order for something else to be created by that something; so if there was just one atom, then how was that one atom created? And... what created the thing that created that atom? ...and so on. Remember, there has to be SOMETHING created in order for something to be created by that something; and once henced by the fact that there was NOTHING in the beggining, then all we can do now is just wonder. It doesn't matter how far you go in solutions and beliefs- the solutions will always lead to nothing. I still belief that light and darkness has the most important role in creating the earth considering those are the only two things that is SOMETHING and NOTHING simultaneously. Maybe something happened that started the universe by these two things, yet no one knows.
I can keep going on and on with this thread, but I won't.
I can keep going on and on with this thread, but I won't.
Well you just took a simple idea and rambled on and on and made it complicated lol
I get what your saying tho. However even if you have light or darkness you still have something b/c everything at all times is made up of atoms. Light is made up of electomagnetic radiation and darkness is the absence of that but if you have darkness it still has to be something b/c it has to be made up of something or else it would be absolute nothing and you cant have absolute nothing. The only time there was absolute nothing, or so they say, is before the big bang, but other then that you can not have absolute nothing.
So even if your idea holds some water it dosnt make sense b/c light and darkness is not something and nothing at the same time, they are both something.
I get what your saying tho. However even if you have light or darkness you still have something b/c everything at all times is made up of atoms. Light is made up of electomagnetic radiation and darkness is the absence of that but if you have darkness it still has to be something b/c it has to be made up of something or else it would be absolute nothing and you cant have absolute nothing. The only time there was absolute nothing, or so they say, is before the big bang, but other then that you can not have absolute nothing.
So even if your idea holds some water it dosnt make sense b/c light and darkness is not something and nothing at the same time, they are both something.
Aikaterine said:
This is an interesting quote, but it really doesn't hold water. I watched Maher talk on the news once, and I was thinking, man this guy's open minded and all that, but he isn't.
He was talking about the close-mindedness of religious people, and how they are wrong for thinking that they are right, and every else is wrong... then practically in the same breath he said that being religious is wrong, and stupid, and the only way for the world to become perfect is to become atheists. Maher is using the same closed-minded philosophies that the religious people he bashes use.
That's a double standard.
The thing is, God is not something we can ever prove, either way. If there is a God that is the supreme entity of all things, he could easily conceal himself from us. And on the other hand, the universe could of as easily been created by no ruler being, and could of created itself.
The idea of God is no harder to believe the the idea that there is no God, "how was God created" can be just as easily said as "how could the universe of been created without God".
For me, I have no major opinion. I neither deny nor accede the existence of idea or religion, not because I don't believe, or that I'm afraid to believe something, but simply because I can't say either way with certainty.
Glorfindel
Acquaintance
Who are you to tell other people how to think? Some people may consider themselves Christian, but not completly believe in God. I hate it when people say "you have to believe in this to be a ....". Because you are now taking on the role of religion ruler.
I really do not consider myself to be of any religion, my parents are Christian, but I look at things from a scientific point of view, rather then a religious point of view. So looking from a scientific view I have come to the conclution that there is no proof that God exists, but there's no proof that God doesn't exist.
Some people say that their faith is proof enough for themselves. But every religion says that, Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Atheist. They can't all be right.
They are welcome believe whatever they want, but I need proof. I need tangible proof of something before I give myself to something like that.
Which is why I believe in Evolution, I have enough proof of it to believe in it. But a God that no one has ever seen. No. I can not believe, or not believe. Because my mind would find that naive, to believe in something of this size without proof.
Who knows? I may find proof for one side or another at some point in my life. But I don't need it.
Well there must be a higher power of some sort otherwise we wouldn't be here, Something must have started the world and excistence but then again something would have had to create God!
It's a tough subject but everybody's view is valid and they have the right to believe it.
I'm not religious, I believe something is out there but i'm not sure what.
It's a tough subject but everybody's view is valid and they have the right to believe it.
I'm not religious, I believe something is out there but i'm not sure what.
Glorfindel
Acquaintance
Thank you.Romanite™ said:
I have thought a great deal about this issue. I enjoyed putting it in words for the first time. -🙂-
Pixel Pirate
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I dont believe in "god" or anything spiritual, because theres no proof that spiritual and allmighty beings exist.
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