Does your vote really matter?

[The Visitors]

Does your vote really matter?

I've come to the unavoidable idea that it doesn't and only a revolution will indeed make for change. And even then it is no true guarantee.

We keep voting for the same type of people in power...

Who do we vote for?

Those who end up on the ballet.

Who ends up on the ballet?

Those who are nominated.

Who does the nominating?

The political parties who are already in office... Thus the same people who we want out... Are basically picking who we can vote for. Anyone else who steps forward is basically a lone man / woman and chances are doesn't have the funding to get themselves noticed, without selling out.

So how much longer do you think it will take or what else must happen, before we have another revolution?

 

[Nuke]

Yes, in America, it does.

Thing is the idiotic masses overrule you.

 

[Gimgak]

Yes, in America, it does.

Thing is the idiotic masses overrule you.

holy crap I agree with Nuke 😱

 

[Nuke]

Yes, in America, it does.

Thing is the idiotic masses overrule you.

holy crap I agree with Nuke 😱

Amazing!

 

[The Visitors]

Yes, in America, it does.

Thing is the idiotic masses overrule you.

Idiotic (meaning stupid) masses who believe that the system works is indeed part of the problem.

So how long do you think it will take or what will it take to wake everyone (or most everyone) up?

 

[Gimgak]

Yes, in America, it does.

Thing is the idiotic masses overrule you.

Idiotic (meaning stupid) masses who believe that the system works is indeed part of the problem.

So how long do you think it will take or what will it take to wake everyone (or most everyone) up?

Never, at least in america. It will take the fall of this regime for the world to evolve once more.

 

[Nuke]

Yes, in America, it does.

Thing is the idiotic masses overrule you.

Idiotic (meaning stupid) masses who believe that the system works is indeed part of the problem.

So how long do you think it will take or what will it take to wake everyone (or most everyone) up?

Hmm...the Tea Party shows that there can be a mass movement...but those are like, false conservatives. They wanted a load of cuts, then when we name our cuts, "NO WE CAN'T CUT ANYTHING". Same with the Democrats. The whole system is too liberal IMO.

Eh, twenty years if it goes nonstop. Which probably won't happen. America is kinda doomed until we reach a breaking point where we crash for our ways of liberalism.

 

[Gimgak]

America is more fascist than it is liberal. There are way too many conservatives in office right now in both parties. What america needs is for both parties to go bye bye, unfortunately that isn't likely to happen.

Until then I'll register as a Pirate, at least they have individuals in mind.

 

[Destructoino]

Yes, in America, it does.

Thing is the idiotic masses overrule you.

In England, our vote hardly does. We just get the same sh*tty liers being elected, they all lie!

 

[Gimgak]

Yes, in America, it does.

Thing is the idiotic masses overrule you.

In England, our vote hardly does. We just get the same sh*tty liers being elected, they all lie!

That's because most people don't care and flip a coin to vote or something, at least it seems that way.

 

[Nuke]

LolPirate.

You call 14T+ in debt Fascist? That's Socialist if you ask me.

Then again,

National SOCIALIST.

😛

 

[Deleted member 1609]

LolPirate.

You call 14T+ in debt Fascist? That's Socialist if you ask me.

Then again,

National SOCIALIST.

😛

I've noticed that everything with which conservatives disagree is Marxist. Don't forget that conservatives love the largest waste of money in our budget: "defense" (I put that in quotes because it's really imperialism spending; "defense" is a euphemism). They also love tax cuts to the rich that skyrocket our national debt. The debt to GDP ratio fell tremendously under Truman and Johnson (the Great Society was excellent no matter what conservatives say); it skyrocketed under Reagan.

In the United States, your vote doesn't matter one bit. Since the Democrats and Republicans have all the spending power, you're screwed if you're not moderately conservative (Democratic) or extreme-right (Republican). Even center-left candidates like Ralph Nader would never get elected in the United States because of these winner-take-all systems that keep us in a two-party regime. Democrats and Republicans are the same.

 

[Nuke]

So basically.

You're insisting that Truman's Republican, I repeat, Republican Congress lowered the debt to GDP ratio. Then Johnson undoing the Kennedy tax cuts and placing much of the nation into relative (America's rich anyway, amirite or amirite) poverty.

Then Reagan destroys the biggest national enemy (The USSR) and we get debt from overwhelming them, and you call it a debt-raiser. Know what else Reagan did? He made a law saying that you can't be denied treatment in an emergency, essentially maintaining Capitalism while granting the right to healthcare to all.

Then we have America being the least Imperialist country to be called as such in all of human history maintaining its national defense inefficiently. You know, it's mostly wasted money. The Russians have an incredibly large military without using up most of the world's military spending, too. All it means is that we have incredibly bad deals we buy into, usually for the legislator to profit.

In any case, you don't know extreme right if you think the Republicans are like that. You REALLY don't know my ideas, if you think that.

I really need to find the tax rate for the middle class under Reagan. That would be epic.

But the top 5%, last I heard, are quite the majority of our tax revenue.

 

[Deleted member 1609]

Truman had a Democratic Congress for most of his presidency, actually.

The four hundred richest people in the USA pay sixteen percent of their income in taxes on average.

Poverty went from twenty-two percent to twelve percent in just a few years when Johnson declared his war on poverty due to social welfare programs.

Reagan may have passed that law, but he didn't stop the hospitals from sending out large bills after the treatment was done. Poor people don't seek health care because of that.

 

[Rick Ace]

What America needs to do is try to maintain its original democracy.

 

[Black Mist]

I say our vote doesnt matter, when the government wants someone to be president, believe me, they'll get there president

 

[Gimgak]

I say our vote doesnt matter, when the government wants someone to be president, believe me, they'll get there president

Thing is they don't need to, they automatically get all the votes they want from the idiots that vote for our single party that's just split into two names.

Until people smarten up our votes count. After then we turn into a dictatorship ran by Palin's Army.

 

[Deleted member 1609]

In the words of Ralph Nader, it's always a decision between "tweedle-dum and tweedle-dumber."

 

[JayJACKEL!]

The UK has had this debate for years, amongst the "Should 16 year olds vote?" argument.

I believe we should be able to, but as only 1 out of 3 adults vote, I don't see how the "16 year olds aren't mature" argument really fits in with this.

 

[Deleted member 1609]

The UK has had this debate for years, amongst the "Should 16 year olds vote?" argument.

I believe we should be able to, but as only 1 out of 3 adults vote, I don't see how the "16 year olds aren't mature" argument really fits in with this.

The UK actually has much higher voter turnout than the USA. The UK had sixty-five percent voter turnout in 2010. In the 2010 election in the USA, I believe the turnout was below forty percent (it usually is for congressional elections). It could be argued that turnout is higher in the UK, though, because elections are held less often. Also, the UK has a multi-party system thanks to proportional representation, so people actually have some genuine alternatives.