'Don't ask, don't tell' ruled unconstitutional

[Gimgak]

A federal court in Riverside, California, ruled Thursday that the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy -- which bars gay men and lesbians from serving openly -- is unconstitutional.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/09/dont.a ... tml?hpt=T2
I'd say this is good news, no doubt someone will try to appeal this but its a good first step for removing an outdated and discriminating policy. Governments are always the last to change so not surprised it took them this long just to let gays and lesbians serve in the military openly.

What are your opinions on this?

 

[Cosmic]

I think it's a good idea because openly gay service members promotes terrorist recruitment. If you join the army, the military decides what you do while you are deployed in another country. You know what Muslims think about gay people, why provoke them by allowing soldiers to be open about it? I thought the leftists liked being sensitive to Muslims. It would offend them to occupy their countries with gay people.

 

[Gimgak]

I think it's a good idea because openly gay service members promotes terrorist recruitment. If you join the army, the military decides what you do while you are deployed in another country. You know what Muslims think about gay people, why provoke them by allowing soldiers to be open about it? I thought the leftists liked being sensitive to Muslims. It would offend them to occupy their countries with gay people.

You're telling me that there are no gays or lesbians in the military at this very moment?

And about being sensitive to Muslims... you think that that the terrorist extremists will give a shit if an american soldier is gay or not? Simply being there isn't being sensitive to those muslims, and to the rest.

 

[Cosmic]

For all practical purposes, everyone in the military is not gay because they have not been allowed to express the fact or not. And yes, Muslims don't like gay people. By don't, I mean their religion compels them to kill them all. If a citizen is found to be gay in Afghanistan he/she is put to death.

 

[Gimgak]

For all practical purposes, everyone in the military is not gay because they have not been allowed to express the fact or not. And yes, Muslims don't like gay people. By don't, I mean their religion compels them to kill them all. If a citizen is found to be gay in Afghanistan he/she is put to death.

Not only not express the fact, if a service member is found to be gay they are discharged. Hell, an air force sergeant was discharged because police saw a marriage certificate in her home.

You're telling me thats the correct way to run the military?

Last I heard Christianity hasn't been too friendly to homosexuals in the past either, and still isn't.

 

[Cosmic]

Well, then I don't agree with the part where they are discharged if they are found to be gay without mentioning it on deployment.

 

[Logan18]

For all practical purposes, everyone in the military is not gay because they have not been allowed to express the fact or not. And yes, Muslims don't like gay people. By don't, I mean their religion compels them to kill them all. If a citizen is found to be gay in Afghanistan he/she is put to death.

Not only not express the fact, if a service member is found to be gay they are discharged. Hell, an air force sergeant was discharged because police saw a marriage certificate in her home.

You're telling me thats the correct way to run the military?

Last I heard Christianity hasn't been too friendly to homosexuals in the past either, and still isn't.

I agree. Christians, us, need to treat homosexuals with respect and peacefully. Jesus loved his enemies and I guess in this case, gays could be our "enemies".

 

[Callum93]

*sigh* When will people accept that sexuality really doesn't matter. Hopefully it will be overturned as it's an out of date rule. Whilst the point was made about Muslims not liking gays, unless a solider does a twirl and starts singing ''I am what I am'' in a high pitched voice, it's not like they're going to know he's gay is it?

 

[Cosmic]

We don't kill any gays, last I checked.

 

[Gimgak]

We don't kill any gays, last I checked.

Where in the thread does anyone say we kill gays? It however does say that a lot of us are complete bigots towards homosexuals, no one can deny that.

 

[Cosmic]

Last I heard Christianity hasn't been too friendly to homosexuals in the past either, and still isn't.

I was commenting on that.

 

[Gimgak]

Last I heard Christianity hasn't been too friendly to homosexuals in the past either, and still isn't.

I was commenting on that.

There's a difference between killing a group of people and treating them like subhumans.

 

[Cosmic]

There is. That's my point. There's a huge difference. In America, gays have some rights, and in fact, they have all but a few rights. In the Muslim world, they have 0 rights. They are treated worse than dogs

 

[Gimgak]

Not denying that. Doesn't mean that in the US which is supposed to be a nation of the free homosexuals shouldn't have the same rights as heterosexuals. Why should they be limited from joining the military, or getting married? Is your point that homosexuals are subhuman?

 

[Cosmic]

I don't even think the government should meddle in marriage at all. I wouldn't mind allowing them to have some sort of civil union, I don't really care because either way it doesn't affect me.

 

[Gimgak]

I don't even think the government should meddle in marriage at all. I wouldn't mind allowing them to have some sort of civil union, I don't really care because either way it doesn't affect me.

Exactly. There is no reason to limit another person's rights due to personal views because either way it won't affect you.

Let me add one thing, for anyone who thinks that Muslim extremists will rise due to openly gay military personnel... We already have woman in our military who are also regarded by those individuals as objects and not people. You could argue that allowing woman in the army has the same affect.

 

[katy perry is hot]

Whatever. I don't care about what the Muslims think of gays. They can stick it. This is a ridiculous policy and it should have gone down the tube a long time ago. And cosmic, there are plenty of gay people in the services. It's just none of them can come out.

 

[Cosmic]

It's just none of them can come out.

If it benefits the war effort, then they shouldn't. their lives belong to the US military when they are deployed. A lot of y'all are against the Koran burning because it would risk the lives of US soldiers, well, if it's known in the Muslim world that many soldiers are gay, the US military will not be respected as much by the Muslim world. Also terrorist groups may get recruitment increases because of the anti-gay Muslims who are shocked by Gay soldiers being in the US military. It's best that this issue not be drawn into the already tricky situation in the middle east.

 

[Gimgak]

It's just none of them can come out.

If it benefits the war effort, then they shouldn't. their lives belong to the US military when they are deployed. A lot of y'all are against the Koran burning because it would risk the lives of US soldiers, well, if it's known in the Muslim world that many soldiers are gay, the US military will not be respected as much by the Muslim world. Also terrorist groups may get recruitment increases because of the anti-gay Muslims who are shocked by Gay soldiers being in the US military. It's best that this issue not be drawn into the already tricky situation in the middle east.

You're saying that muslims are stupid and don't know there are gays in the US army? Really, its not some big secret. Like I said, might as well get rid of all woman too.

 

[katy perry is hot]

It's just none of them can come out.

If it benefits the war effort, then they shouldn't. their lives belong to the US military when they are deployed. A lot of y'all are against the Koran burning because it would risk the lives of US soldiers, well, if it's known in the Muslim world that many soldiers are gay, the US military will not be respected as much by the Muslim world. Also terrorist groups may get recruitment increases because of the anti-gay Muslims who are shocked by Gay soldiers being in the US military. It's best that this issue not be drawn into the already tricky situation in the middle east.

That's a load of crap. There's no reason why a patriotic gay person can't serve in the military. Like I said, the muslims can shove it. A lot of the radicalized Muslims over there hate Christians, so then we should ban Christianity from the armed forces too, in order to get the most security.