Email Verification - Your Views

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I know a lot of people agree with email verification and implement it on their forum, but to be honest, I hate joining forums with email verification enabled because it is just the extra step. I think that there are many more efficient spam prevention methods. Although it does help anti-fraud, I still don't think it is necessary unless your site is very big.

What are your thoughts and opinions on email verification registration?
 
I rather do the email step on any website

atleast I know the forum im on has real users and they wont be spamming go to

www.Dontmakemeold.com and buy a anti-aging cream for $9.99 + Tax + Shipping fees lol
 
Its not really necessary if you have a good captcha and some good security questions to block out the bots.
 
It does have benefits other then stopping spammers theezy. The reason why we have is to make it harder for immature idiots that want to cause trouble. Requiring email validation means that they have to have access to the email they enter. It means they either need to set up new gmail or hotmail email accounts to look authentic(time consuming), use a temp email provider (quicker but stands out alot more to us) or they use other email addresses they have access to which sometimes gives them away to us.

If we don't have email validation, someone can sign up and post with 100's of accounts and just enter fake hotmail email addresses for example without them really being troubled.
 
Yes, but I only see that necessary for a big site such as this one. When I join new sites that require my activation, it makes me not want to join.
 
Despite the benefits of email verification, it has been disabled at my forum for most of its existence since I want the registrant posting as soon as possible.

That in mind, it is my experience that often times a person is motivated to register because of a discussion or even a particular post he read that he wants to — at this very moment — reply to. The quicker this person is able to begin typing up his reply, the more likely he is to remember everything he wanted to say, and how he wanted to say it.

Also, the more likely he is to post at all, since the more obstacles presented to the person on his way to posting, the more likely he is to be dissuaded from the affair. Even more, if he posts at all, the experience itself with maybe a few more replies before he leaves may influence his decision to come back again, or several times more, and become active.

In this regard, I am reminded of the tactic by fast food restaurants to prey on the tendency of people to make the split-second decision to buy something at their restaurant when they hit the intersection and were not intending to be a patron, but were around long enough to see something that caught their eye and motivated them enough to pull over to the parking lot, get out of the car, and dish out cash.

At this point, someone may wonder why care about someone whose potential activity is so tentative, but it is my understanding that this is the nature of guests: They are a tentative sort. Attention span is short, and must be gotten quickly. The registration process is something to be gotten out of the way, and an excessively burdensome or lengthy registration process may change the mind.

OK, but email activation is not so burdensome or lengthy in and of itself. Yeah, I agree. I do not mean to imply that email activation is this great dissuader of registrants. Indeed, as above, I only said I want to shorten the registration process as much as possible. That means anything that is in the way that may contribute to dissuading the registrant.

Few forums have a registration process so burdensome or lengthy that potential registrants disappear, or successful registration does not lead to the desired effect because the person to register has already forgotten ("Oh, yeah, I was going to activate my account, but forgot after waiting for it and having to leave to do something first") or changed his mind ("Meh, what I wanted to say was not that important").

Going back to that last point (i.e., the registrant changing his mind), I am reminded of the late comedian Mitch Hedberg, who said, "I got to write these jokes. So, I sit at the hotel at night and I think of something that's funny. Or, If the pen is too far away, I have to convince myself that what I thought of wasn't funny."

Yeah, few forums have a registration process so burdensome or lengthy that a notable amount of potential or new registrants are gone before they arrive, but this is a notable topic among forum administrators that has led to discussion about how to encourage new registrants while still effectively combating spam bots, as there is still notable benefit to be derived from streamlining the registration process.

Fortunately, I have not had to utilize member or administrator email confirmation for most of my forum's existence since it is so small that I can handle the spam bots on my own, but I can definitely understand its use by forum administrators who run large or even medium communities.

Relatedly, there are even small forum administrators who may struggle not out of incompetence, but for other reasons such as few easy-to-implement anti-spam measures provided by the forum software and its add-on community for anyone who is not a programmer. I am glad to have the benefit of several anti-spam add-ons for xenForo 1.1.1, such as the utilities provided by the owner of 8WayRun.com, "XenUtiles."

Note Of course, as someone who only owns a small forum that has never been anywhere near impressive in activity, I do not mean to suggest that I even have any idea what I am talking about, heh.
 
I like it for what Fawler said, I am s used to it now that it is actually weird being able to registering and..be in. However I do agree with Medora's opinion, as myself I don't have it activated unless I feel it to become some sort of need for the community.
 
If a person really wants to join your site, they will not mind a verification system. Banks use it, online stores use it, Yahoo, Google, FB... all use it.

Bot technology is getting better, they are able to solve algebra and defeat math questions used for anti spam. Some bots can even search the web based off your security question and answer it. Thus the account is set up but the email was never verified so the double layer does work in most cases.

Of course the human spammer is becoming more and more prevalent and they do verify the email. Pakistan, China, Philippines to name a few use human spammers, they will verify the email and solve the anti bot question.

Do you lose potential members as a result of having an email verification, sure but those types were not really interested in your forum then. Again, if a person really wants to partake at your site, they will reply to the verification.
 
cfotoceo said:
Banks use it, online stores use it, Yahoo, Google, FB... all use it.

Well obviously they have to use it. They are huge sites and they need fraud protection. I'm talking about little and medium sized sites.
 
I don't like it at all. Why? Because it delays and puts off members' registrations, at least in my eyes.
 
I dont think it's needed as long as you have a good spam bot prevention system. I plan on removing it on my newest forum.
 
noreturn said:
I dont think it's needed as long as you have a good spam bot prevention system. I plan on removing it on my newest forum.
good decision you've made my friend. I hate forums with spam activation. XD
 
Fowler said:
It does have benefits other then stopping spammers theezy. The reason why we have is to make it harder for immature idiots that want to cause trouble. Requiring email validation means that they have to have access to the email they enter. It means they either need to set up new gmail or hotmail email accounts to look authentic(time consuming), use a temp email provider (quicker but stands out alot more to us) or they use other email addresses they have access to which sometimes gives them away to us.

If we don't have email validation, someone can sign up and post with 100's of accounts and just enter fake hotmail email addresses for example without them really being troubled.


I agree with this because spammers do use e-mail accounts that stand out and we know who they are right away and can deal with them before they stat posting junk on the forum
 
Tazmania said:
(...) Do you lose potential members as a result of having an email verification, sure but those types were not really interested in your forum then. Again, if a person really wants to partake at your site, they will reply to the verification.
While I can see where you come from and probably it is true for the majority, by my own experience sometimes I have only enjoyed a place after I was able to post in it, in that sense, I do worry that I may lose potential members because of it, and I do not minimize them into them not being a big loss. Even if most of them fall into what you mentioned.

Still, not that I am against Email verification, I think it is good, I had a member cheat creating multiple accounts to vote in a contest with many fake email addresses. Even if your forum is small, it can become a headache with just a few aware of it and exploiting it for the heck of it. As I said I am very used and expect the step when I join the forums, though it is still a pleasing surprise just to be in and ready to post.
 
If members can't take a 13 second step to load up and activate their email address, then what could I expect out of them as a contributing member. If Guests like your forum and are excited to join, the email activation process isn't going to bother them one bit.

Sure, it's a tedious process, but only has to be done once, and takes just a few seconds.
 
It takes me 30 seconds to enter a forum, with or without the setting. As a forum admin who's dealing with spam on a daily basis, I do find it IMPORTANT. Instead of having viagra or porn threads in my forums, I'd rather have the user click a link. I assume that, if asked, my members wouldn't like having to wade through junk all day long and would rather click a link. We have to thank our spammers for ruining the forum experience for most of us.
 
dojo said:
It takes me 30 seconds to enter a forum, with or without the setting. As a forum admin who's dealing with spam on a daily basis, I do find it IMPORTANT. Instead of having viagra or porn threads in my forums, I'd rather have the user click a link. I assume that, if asked, my members wouldn't like having to wade through junk all day long and would rather click a link. We have to thank our spammers for ruining the forum experience for most of us.

Well said
 
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