Ferguson Decision To Come Next Week

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Even this non-political forum has heard about the Michael Brown shooting and the race riots that occurred in Ferguson Missouri over the summer. To make a long story short a black kid attacked a white police officer after he was stopped and was killed in the fight. Although supporters of Brown have tried to change the narrative several times painting Brown to be an innocent victim and the police officer Darren Wilson as a murderer the investigation has shown that Brown was indeed the aggressor in the incident and responsible for his own fate. The decision of innocence for the Officer Darren Wilson is expected next week. I predict this Monday due to preparations are being made...

1. Last week Jay Nixon, Governor of Missouri, issued a preemptive state of emergency for Ferguson and dispatched the National Guard to guard government buildings.

2. DHS has dispatched over 100 federal agents to the area and their cover was blown by a hotel worker with a cell phone camera. He pictured a great number of Homeland Security Vehicles in the hotel's parking garage.

3. The public schools in Ferguson have been announced to be shut down and closed for both Monday and Tuesday of this week.

4. Reports widely expect Wilson to resign after the verdict is given and was expected as early as next week.

5. Racist organizations have already started fighting and threatening. The Black Panthers have been caught organizing race riots, promoting racism and violence, and plotting acts of terrorism. The KKK has charged that they will engage the Black Panthers in combat. Anonymous is trying to stir the pot and create a situation with propaganda and their flavor of cyber terrorism.

6. Gun sales are through the roof. Stores are reporting exponential market increases that they have not ever seen before.

So...the [s h i t] is about to hit the fan next week. What do you think is going to happen??

Remember to keep it civil and follow FP's rules 😉
 
IMO even though this debate never took off I felt it would be important to note that the Grand Jury will put forth their final indictment decision in little more than 40 minutes from now. Ferguson stands to erupt into race riots.
 
there will be no second grand jury

bs in my opinion why the hell did the cop get away with shooting him several times isnt once enough?
 
Not when you are being attacked. You shoot until the threat is over. That's basic training for cops. Hell that's basic training for the military. Shoot for the largest mass with intent to incapacitate. I'll respect your opinion of course but the Grand Jury didn't do anything more than come to the logical conclusion. People wanted to be judge, jury, and executioner and the Grand Jury closed the door to that sort of attitude.

I wanted to debate this topic when it was actually hot but the forum here really didn't care to indulge it. Now that it's over there's no real point in debating it now.
 
I suspect that the media is hyping this one up a bit. From what I've heard there wasn't as much damage in Ferguson as most people would think. Anyway, riots happen from time to time. We are very fortunate to live in a time of relative civil order. During the 60s, and adjoining decades, riots were very frequent, and about all sorts of things, ranging from civil rights to the anti-war movement. Overall, I think, the reason for that is that life is better. Civil rights have improved (they aren't perfect, but it's at least a lot less visible) and there is no draft. Right now the US is doing a pretty decent job of winning our wars, as far as a country can win a war of attrition.
 
I agree 100% with the decision and disagree 100% with the protesters.

A police officer shoots and kills a criminal (thief, marijuana smoker, both illegal) who attacked him once and was about to attack him again.

If Brown hadn't robbed the store, he wouldn't have been in that situation to get shot and killed.

If Brown hadn't tried to attack a police officer (which is just plain stupid), he would not have been shot and killed. If he stops and puts his hands up instead of trying to attack the officer, he is still alive today.

What's with all the disrespect for authority and the law? The police aren't perfect, but in this case it's a no-brainer that Officer Wilson shouldn't have been indicted. Cops are trained not to take any chances. If Brown would have reached the car again, he could have hurt Wilson and taken his gun.

What would you have expected him to do? Just sit there and let a big, aggressive criminal attack him and hope for the best? Run away? Any cop worth his badge would have shot the guy.
 
i think both were in the wrong...

i think the cop was angry after being beat up and chased the kid out of spite and for revenge... the cop said he shot the kid because he was in fear of his life, yet you said that he shot a few shots while he was chasing him...

it's always the cop word over everyone else's...

still doesn't automatically mean cops are always right...

this is more of a police brutality issue than a race issue, even though you can't deny that racism is still alive and well with-in police and communities... those people say that those racist cops target and profile them on the daily basis, with harassing them and such... after while anyone or group would get tired of the abuse and lash out and stand up against the oppressors/abusers... i'm sure you would too...
 
+Justice said:
i think both were in the wrong...

i think the cop was angry after being beat up and chased the kid out of spite and for revenge... the cop said he shot the kid because he was in fear of his life, yet you said that he shot a few shots while he was chasing him...

it's always the cop word over everyone else's...

still doesn't automatically mean cops are always right...

this is more of a police brutality issue than a race issue, even though you can't deny that racism is still alive and well with-in police and communities... those people say that those racist cops target and profile them on the daily basis, with harassing them and such... after while anyone or group would get tired of the abuse and lash out and stand up against the oppressors/abusers... i'm sure you would too...

I agree. I live in Kansas City, Missouri and the protesting was on for quite some time. However, we thank the media for blowing this up and throwing it in your face almost as if they are trying to get you to pick a side, yet, it's okay because the media made a killing out of this situation.

Now, I did not agree with the protest in Ferguson and all of the looting (Cmon, really?) However, I do agree with the riots/protest for the Garner situation. THAT was a perfect example of police brutality. I CAN'T BREATH! I CAN'T BREATH!...
 
As someone who has been racially profiled not just by cops, but by people in general, both of my race and not, and as someone who is married to a big guy like Garner, I am literally terrified for my husband everyday he walks out the door.

I have been racially profiled by people my entire life, I've had store staff following me around thinking that I was going to steal, which I got them back by using them as my personal shoppers. I've had quite a few White people be genuinely floored over the fact that I am educated, didn't have kids and am married, and many more of them didn't know that "Black people came in that color." Conversely, I've had people in my race assume that I was stuck up because of my skin color, and accused me of "acting White" just because I chose to do something positive with my life and not to get caught up in other people's b.s.. I've had cops tell me that I have an "honest face", while looking at my best friend as though he were suspicious, even when he's in his fatigues, the difference being our stark difference in skin color.

My husband is 6' 6" and is very well built, and is what you would call a gentle giant, and my biggest fear used to be some punk with a gun thinking that my husband is a bigger threat than he is because of his size, and being just as quick to pull the trigger for the same reason. After the Garner situation, I became more fearful of the cops for the same exact reason.

I am terrified, not because he is a thug, which he isn't, because I know exactly how some cops like to escalate certain situations, I've seen and heard it happen. They like to egg a person on and try to wear them down and try to get them to react, just so that they have a reason to use force against them. There are some people who join the force, just so that they can have some authority, and just as many of these people have joined the military as well. A uniform and a badge doesn't make a person a saint.

Just look at Daniel Holzclaw for an example. He was a serial rapist, who used his badge to prey on more and more women, and his department covered for him until they couldn't anymore. That is usually how these bad cops end up with the power they have, because they know that the blue wall will support them. They likely covered for him after he raped the first woman, but after the other 27 came forward, then they knew that they were in over their heads.

When you have these people with these issues joining the force, then problems will arise. While, in NYC, we do have some protection, in the fact that the people in my family are either cops, or work for them, I do know that outside of NYC, that we are just n*ggers to these cops.

To make matters worse, they do the same thing to their own when they are off duty, but because of the consequences they'd face for speaking up, they'd have no choice but stay silent whenever there is a bad cop amongst them. It's been said that more than 25% of Black NYPD officers fear their colleagues when they're off duty, and just as many have their own harrowing stories about the abusive treatment they got from these cops.

Even though my husband and I have never broken the law or had any issues with the cops, we've noticed that every single time we drive South while on vacation, usually in Delaware, that there will be at least 1 incident with the cops. And it never fails.

Some cops are simply looking for reasons to start up with you and when they do, we know to keep a cool head and to give them whatever it is they're asking for.

But in places like Ferguson, MO, where civil asset forfeiture serves as income for the city, and arrests are regarded as incentives where you are rewarded for meeting your quota, and bad cops remain unpunished, then you will end up with a lot more of these incidents. Through this program, the police have successfully stolen hundreds of millions of dollars from innocent people all across the country, who were also poor, and couldn't afford to legally pursue the return of their property, didn't have time because they had to work or simply didn't know their legal rights.

I would not be surprised if the witnesses who supported Wilson, did so in exchange for a lighter charge or dismissal of fines in their own arrest. If the DA has coerced inmates and alleged witnesses to lie, in exchange for a lighter sentence and buried evidence just to make a case, then it wouldn't surprise me if that's what's happened here.

Case in point, most recently, it was discovered that an inmate admitted to having lied for the prosecution, in exchange for a lighter sentence, which sent an innocent man to be executed. In North Carolina, a similar situation happened, except the witness came forward and admitted to lying and the former death row inmate was exonerated and released.

In some states, they still refuse to release the innocent person, and continue pushing for execution simply because they'd be too embarrassed to apologize and make it right, and don't want to go through the hassle of having to reexamine every case by the prosecutor who put the innocent man on death row in the first place.

Although I think both parties were wrong, I think that there was more wrong on the side of law enforcement.

They botched the case, released the alleged "robbery video" to incite public doubt and to discredit the victim, even though, there wasn't a robbery, since another video showed him paying and the altercation was about whether or not he had id to buy the cigars. They antagonized the protesters, they didn't file a report with Wilson, they allowed him to "wash off" evidence and despite reports of a physical altercation, there were no scratches or contusions. And despite Wilson's account of how big and scary Mike Brown was compared to Lil' ol' him, the fact of the matter is that they were the same height.

At least, in Zimmerman's case, there was evidence of a scuffle, but it was a night and day difference. Now it is coming to light that not only has their key witness (the one who said she came there to visit a friend from high school and wanted to "study" Black people) been discredited, but that the DA allowed witnesses they knew were lying about seeing anything, and constantly changed their story to testify on their behalf.

I don't agree with the looting at all, but there will be scumbags who are looking for an excuse to be well, scumbags. They were looting for Hurricanes Katrina, Irene and Sandy, just as they were for these situations, especially since, "infiltration by the enemy" (be it, someone supporting the bad cops or the KKK in this case) if it is a recognized, legitimate and age old tactic to undermine the peaceful message behind a protest. (See Mexican protests. The guy who set fire to the door of the presidents mansion was not a student and was recognized as a troublemaker by the other protestors and there is footage of him being protected by armored police.)

And just as quickly as the media was eager to portray the looters destroying the community, they were just as unenthusiastic about the fact that the looters weren't from Ferguson, let alone showing footage of the protesters, local residents and even gang members helping to clean up the places that were destroyed by the troublemakers and even protecting these businesses from those returning to do the same.

But really, the media doesn't care about the truth, it cares about ratings and what better way to get them, than to sensationalize, selectively report, use divisive terminology, fear-mongering tactics and even creatively doctored footage (like, for example, when a FOX Baltimore news station altered footage of a anti police brutality protest to say "Kill A Cop.") to get reactions out of the most paranoid and unintelligent people.

Although I was saddened by the Ferguson and Garner decision, I was not surprised.

Just like I won't be where Akai Gurley's and Tamir Rice's decisions are concerned.

Not only did Gurley not have a record, but the cop that killed him, wasn't supposed to be in the building in the first place, didn't call for an ambulance and texted his union rep for 6 minutes as Gurley lay dying.

The cop in Tamir Rice's case, not only was he deemed unfit to be a cop, and had a slew of other problems, but, he killed the kid within seconds of arrival, even though the 911 caller said that the gun he had was likely a toy..

But nevertheless, they too will walk, when Tamir Rice and Akai Gurley are made to stand trial for their own deaths.

The good thing that came from all this, was that people of all races, religions and classes are standing together against police brutality. Which is a night and day difference from what occurred with the Rodney King and Amadou Diallou protests.
 
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