Free Forum Hosts - Why They Suck

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I've seen a lot of people here use free forum hosts and it really bugs me because they really are terrible. In this half rant, half educational lecture I'll explain to you the different ways that makes being self hosting so superior.

And where to begin other than the most obvious point? The paid alternatives are better. You can't get vBulletin from free hosting which is the best forum software. Don't argue. It is. IPB comes closely second. They have everything. Everything. That's why you pay $180 for a owned license and in comparison to the free alternatives even that sounds like a good deal.

No database backups. No brotha, not only are some free forum hosts modded so badly that they probably wouldn't even be able to produce efficient and working backups, but they want you to stay with their company and they don't want you to be able to switch. Their excuse? "Databases are private things which the administrators here would like to maintain to themselves," rubbish! They could provide backups so that you could export your forum to self hosting but no. Instead they hold onto them.

0-Customization! You can't install your own mods and only very small likely-to-go-down-soon free forum hosts allow you to request mods. The bigger ones have modded them themselves and are usually filled with bugs that cause your forum to malfunction. You don't get the mods you want and you don't have the option of editing the PHP code to make your own mods.

Skins? Yes, but not very much... Although you can customize your skins with colours and different images, you usually can't template edit and if you can then you can't edit the more important things. For example, you have a phpbb-modded-we-think-its-phpbb3 free forum hosted on phpbbfreeforums4u.com. You absolutely hate having the username under your avatar but cannot change it. You decide you want to move hosts and have already got a userbase of 1000 so ask the admins there to export your database. They, of course, decline and you're stuck with undernames under your avatar.

It's a liability. They host your files, so if they go bust you don't get them back. However if you have a self hosted forum you can backup onto your hard drive so you always have your beloved posts and members. There is no such satisfaction with free hosts and you're constantly under pressure knowing that you're not fully safe. Free forum companies go boom often so don't be surprised if you wake up to see your site isn't there.

Loads of Admin CP permissions are stripped off you because it would be dangerous for you to give you them. This means you don't have full control of your boards. You don't get any of those fun options that you had last time you worked with someone else on a self hosted forum.

Adverts. No free hosting forum site gives you a forum and doesn't put a link to their sites or ads on them. That's a fact. Whether it's a small link on the footer or a flagrant header advertising banners, you're gonna get them which can put users off and can make the site as a whole very unattractive and professional to look at.

So, I hope you've learnt your lesson and will go on to read how to self-host for free that I shall write some other time.

Thanks for reading 🙂
 
Donkey said:
0-Customization! You can't install your own mods and only very small likely-to-go-down-soon free forum hosts allow you to request mods. The bigger ones have modded them themselves and are usually filled with bugs that cause your forum to malfunction. You don't get the mods you want and you don't have the option of editing the PHP code to make your own mods.

Mods- for ipbfree, there are currently 4044 modifications in the database of the official resources site, and there are 10 other resources sites. not sure how many.

Donkey said:
Skins? Yes, but not very much... Although you can customize your skins with colours and different images, you usually can't template edit and if you can then you can't edit the more important things. For example, you have a phpbb-modded-we-think-its-phpbb3 free forum hosted on phpbbfreeforums4u.com. You absolutely hate having the username under your avatar but cannot change it. You decide you want to move hosts and have already got a userbase of 1000 so ask the admins there to export your database. They, of course, decline and you're stuck with undernames under your avatar.

Totally wrong, I am an iPB AND iPBFree skinner, and you can create templates in both, and they are similar if not the ame.
 
Akihiro said:
Donkey said:
0-Customization! You can't install your own mods and only very small likely-to-go-down-soon free forum hosts allow you to request mods. The bigger ones have modded them themselves and are usually filled with bugs that cause your forum to malfunction. You don't get the mods you want and you don't have the option of editing the PHP code to make your own mods.

Mods- for ipbfree, there are currently 4044 modifications in the database of the official resources site, and there are 10 other resources sites. not sure how many.

Donkey said:
Skins? Yes, but not very much... Although you can customize your skins with colours and different images, you usually can't template edit and if you can then you can't edit the more important things. For example, you have a phpbb-modded-we-think-its-phpbb3 free forum hosted on phpbbfreeforums4u.com. You absolutely hate having the username under your avatar but cannot change it. You decide you want to move hosts and have already got a userbase of 1000 so ask the admins there to export your database. They, of course, decline and you're stuck with undernames under your avatar.

Totally wrong, I am an iPB AND iPBFree skinner, and you can create templates in both, and they are similar if not the ame.
He is talking about 99% of the free forum host market. It is hard to apply any general statement to 100%. Your points are not true for most other hosts.
 
C0smic1 said:
Akihiro said:
Donkey said:
0-Customization! You can't install your own mods and only very small likely-to-go-down-soon free forum hosts allow you to request mods. The bigger ones have modded them themselves and are usually filled with bugs that cause your forum to malfunction. You don't get the mods you want and you don't have the option of editing the PHP code to make your own mods.

Mods- for ipbfree, there are currently 4044 modifications in the database of the official resources site, and there are 10 other resources sites. not sure how many.

Donkey said:
Skins? Yes, but not very much... Although you can customize your skins with colours and different images, you usually can't template edit and if you can then you can't edit the more important things. For example, you have a phpbb-modded-we-think-its-phpbb3 free forum hosted on phpbbfreeforums4u.com. You absolutely hate having the username under your avatar but cannot change it. You decide you want to move hosts and have already got a userbase of 1000 so ask the admins there to export your database. They, of course, decline and you're stuck with undernames under your avatar.

Totally wrong, I am an iPB AND iPBFree skinner, and you can create templates in both, and they are similar if not the ame.
He is talking about 99% of the free forum host market. It is hard to apply any general statement to 100%. Your points are not true for most other hosts.

He said

Donkey said:
I've seen a lot of people here use free forum hosts and it really bugs me because they really are terrible.

That's generalizing.
 
Yet the majority of the people here who use free forum hosts do not use the service you mentioned was an exception to his rant. Therefore these people are missing the benefits of the exception and don't know what they're missing. A majority I have noticed use freeforums.org, a host which fits his criteria for a bad forum host to the letter. So, since most people here use bad forum hosts most people here are affected by the limitation of the stereotypical forum host.
 
I have to say I agree. It is better to go with advanced hosting, because with advanced hosting you can have ads only if YOU want to, not because the host wants to. And you also have control over which mods can be installed and which can't or shouldn't be installed.
 
You can't get vBulletin from free hosting which is the best forum software. Don't argue. It is. IPB comes closely second. They have everything.

That's a matter of opinion I would rather use Phpbb3 than VB and if i was to pay for forum software I would use IPB 100% had it before it was very good and worked perfect!
 
^ It is a matter of opinion: this thread is a rant. I said not to argue for that reason. I think free hosts are bad, as I think vBulletin is good.


ipbfree, while awful, does admittedly have some features that makes it stand out from other free forum providers. But it still has many limitations, no matter how many mods it has or how you can skin it. Are you saying it is more customizable than if you have self hosted a forum?

I'll tell you now, I can do much more with vBulletin than you can with ipbfree.
 
I can't stand free forum hosts. A couple of people who I dislike use them all the time. They change from one forum host to another to another. Saying they want to have 'breaks' but turn up promoting another free forum hosted forum!
 
Donkey said:
^ It is a matter of opinion: this thread is a rant. I said not to argue for that reason. I think free hosts are bad, as I think vBulletin is good.


ipbfree, while awful, does admittedly have some features that makes it stand out from other free forum providers. But it still has many limitations, no matter how many mods it has or how you can skin it. Are you saying it is more customizable than if you have self hosted a forum?

I'll tell you now, I can do much more with vBulletin than you can with ipbfree.

It's just as customizeable as a free hosted forum.
 
Does it allow you to create blank web pages with your custom HTML and PHP?

Does it allow you to edit every single bit of your skin's template?

Does it allow you to access your MySQL database and make queries yourself?

Does it allow you to make your own skin from scratch and use it without approval?

Can you backup your forum by downloading the database onto your computer?

Can you install any modification or skin you find off of google whether they installed it already or not?
 
C0smic1 said:
Does it allow you to create blank web pages with your custom HTML and PHP?

Does it allow you to edit every single bit of your skin's template?

Does it allow you to access your MySQL database and make queries yourself?

Does it allow you to make your own skin from scratch and use it without approval?

Can you backup your forum by downloading the database onto your computer?

Can you install any modification or skin you find off of google whether they installed it already or not?
I am assuming you are asking this about ipbfree.

So I,as a former ipbfree user will give my input.


Does it allow you to create blank web pages with your custom HTML and PHP? you can't use php,but yes you can create your own html pages.

Does it allow you to edit every single bit of your skin's template? Yep,however if you use the generator you cannot.

Does it allow you to access your MySQL database and make queries yourself? nope

Does it allow you to make your own skin from scratch and use it without approval? Yes I made two for ipbfree infact.

Can you backup your forum by downloading the database onto your computer? nope,but you can request a backup.

Can you install any modification or skin you find off of google whether they installed it already or not?
Not any,due to them being for other forum software. However any skin for ipbfree and mod is a yes.
 
This is why I changed host!
I was so new to all of this 2 weeks ago. you all might know i started with my forum on Lefora, then i was advised to switch so I did to forumer. By then I had already bought a domain name and it wasn't really in use.

I was annoied that I couldn't back up my own files, I had to use their themes and my site wasn't how I wanted it to be.

So perhaps 5 days ago I switched over to a paid host. Now I can use my domain and I can back up my own mySQL database which I did.

while using forumer I decided to switch my members were not happy that I was doing that again! in a short time. They did not want to start ALL OVER again.
So I spent 14 hours logging into their accounts and copying and pasting all our important site stuff on the new new forum. Took a hell of a long time. And I will never go to a free host again.

I'm no longer using IPB which I was using at forumer lBut SMF is good enough for me in the mean time. I really can't buy any software right now I lost my job.
but my monthly fee is small so this paid thing is working out really well.
 
C0smic1 said:
Does it allow you to create blank web pages with your custom HTML and PHP?

Does it allow you to edit every single bit of your skin's template?



Does it allow you to make your own skin from scratch and use it without approval?

Can you backup your forum by downloading the database onto your computer?

Can you install any modification or skin you find off of google whether they installed it already or not?

I just quoted what you can do.
 
Yes, paid hosts are better. That's why you pay for them. Still, to totally disregard a forum because it is on a free host is pretty ignorant. After all, I've said this many times and I'll say it again: "It is the content that makes the forum, not the software." If a free hosted forum has better content, then it will be better than it's worse contented-paid counterpart. There is no denying that.

Not to mention some people simply can't afford for paid hosts. Why bother forking out $180 for a forum that you don't even know will succeed? Personally, I don't care for the database (I wouldn't know how to use it anyway, though it would have been nice when moving from forumer) and ad removal is much cheaper than buying IPB/VB license.

0-Customization! You can't install your own mods and only very small likely-to-go-down-soon free forum hosts allow you to request mods. The bigger ones have modded them themselves and are usually filled with bugs that cause your forum to malfunction. You don't get the mods you want and you don't have the option of editing the PHP code to make your own mods.
Do your homework.

There are plenty of nice skins available for free hosts. http://www.zbthemezone.com is a clear example.

Also, if you're a decent programmer, you can mod a forum, as long as there is some kind HTML-PHP editor-type thing, which most do provide. http://www.gaming-zc.com/ has a fair few 'unique' mods for Zetaboards simply because one of the Admins is a decent programmer. There's also a bunch of code resources, like http://support.zetaboards.com/forum/46/ .

Not to mention there is potential for more customisation on free hosts simply because it is easier for the average person to set up and play around with.


So yes, I'm not saying free hosts are better, because they're not. That's obvious. I'm saying that disregarding a free hosted forum simply because it is free is a stupid and ignorant way of thinking.
 
Exactly what I'm trying to argue. I'm not saying free hosts are better, I'm just saying they don't suck.
 
KI don't care how much someone paid for their forum, really I only care how much time they paid for their forum myself. If they set it up in five minutes and use the default graphics or even default skin then it will likely be no count but if they find suitable themes/graphics then it's much better. Also, ZB is one of the few free forum hosts which allows you to create such modifications and it's quiet difficult because ZB doesn't really allow server-side scripting.
 
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