Freedom from what exactly...?

[Naiwen]

From being on Earth or Aliens...? or from being "humans"...?

 

[GamerPerfection]

It depends on the scenario you are talking about. Freedom doesn't mean the same thing in every context.

 

[Taz]

What is your definition of freedom? I live in the United States and I have yet to experience true freedom.

 

[Naiwen]

What is your definition of freedom? I live in the United States and I have yet to experience true freedom.

Exactly my point: freedom is an ideology.

 

[Taz]

If true freedom existed, a lot crimes would happen. People could do whatever they wanted, how they wanted.

 

[Naiwen]

If true freedom existed, a lot crimes would happen. People could do whatever they wanted, how they wanted.

yep... so societies would be chaotic... and in anarchy.

 

[GamerPerfection]

So what is your point exactly?

 

[Naiwen]

So what is your point exactly?

that there's no "true or real freedom", lol. It's all in your head/mind. Since no one can even answer my question: "what's freedom"?

 

[GamerPerfection]

There is no true freedom, but there is freedom. It's all down to what context it's in.

 

[CM30]

I have absolutely no idea what you're on about. Can you explain what you're asking about in more detail?

 

[Naiwen]

I have absolutely no idea what you're on about. Can you explain what you're asking about in more detail?

Exactly why I asked this question... but since nobody can seem to answer it: "freedom from what...?" And so, what are we fighting/dying for...?

 

[pandaa]

I would define freedom as the ability to be able to make your own decisions, on your own free will. I'm not really sure why you have to free from something to be free. Freedom can simply mean the ability to exercise your free will, without having someone else control your future.

 

[Naiwen]

I would define freedom as the ability to be able to make your own decisions, on your own free will. I'm not really sure why you have to free from something to be free. Freedom can simply mean the ability to exercise your free will, without having someone else control your future.

And that's only an illusion in our minds... nothing substantial... though are we ever going
to be free from eating, the need to drink and etc... no...?

 

[pandaa]

I'm not sure exactly what your point is. Are you saying that we are never completely free, even if we think we are? If so, please cite some examples.

 

[Naiwen]

I'm not sure exactly what your point is. Are you saying that we are never completely free, even if we think we are? If so, please cite some examples.

Yes and please read my post above: the need from eating, drinking water and living...because these are our "basic human" needs, no? So, are we ever going
to be "free" from these...? No. If you got what I'm saying there...

 

[CM30]

We might eventually be free from those. Look up transhumanism.

 

[Naiwen]

We might eventually be free from those. Look up transhumanism.

Never going ever to be free from "breathing..." or living in the World... No, we can't and
that's humanity and that's called "being human". XD Unless we evolved into some other beings (higher beings)... and hence why we Humans always wanted to be Gods or Goddesses.

And I believe... we are chained to humanity or to "being human".

 

[pandaa]

Okay... but why exactly would someone want to be free from those things? Is your quality of life and happiness impacted by the fact that you have to breathe and drink water? I kind of understand what you're saying, but I just don't see why our human needs are really relevant to anything. And really, you're not forced into anything in life. It's a choice to keep on living, when it comes down to it.

 

[Naiwen]

Okay... but why exactly would someone want to be free from those things? Is your quality of life and happiness impacted by the fact that you have to breathe and drink water? I kind of understand what you're saying, but I just don't see why our human needs are really relevant to anything. And really, you're not forced into anything in life. It's a choice to keep on living, when it comes down to it.

Because that's called "true freedom", even the will to die and live...or the decision
to die or live...

 

[pandaa]

Because that's called "true freedom", even the will to die and live...

You currently have that right now. Just because you have responsibilities doesn't mean that you don't have freedom. If those things you're "chained" to don't have any significance or impact on you, why are they even worth being discussed as if they make life horrible?