Homosexuality: Right or Wrong?

[The Governor]

Since when do other people have the right to judge others based on their happiness?

Since when? Since the beginning of time. Not just about people being gay but about anything in life. Anything anyone does is going to bother someone else out there. If someone has an issue with the way you are living your life, its their issue. Let them deal with it and go on living your life the way you want to. 🙂

My point was, no one does have that right. No one has to right to judge others

I have the right to judge whoever I want and so do you, so does everyone else. We're all entitled to opinions and can be judgmental all we want. But no matter how we feel towards another person on the inside, we should all treat each other with respect and tolerance on the outside, to their face at least. That's what separates us from the animals. Civility.

I disagree. We're not talking about the animal kingdom and what rules they have. We're talking about human beings who have made a decision - a decision to love another man or another woman.. Who are you or anyone else to judge them? Who are you or anyone else to think or say "this is wrong"? Exactly, you have no right. What you say or think, it's not how the world works. Whether people like it or not, homosexuality is becoming normal. Times are changing, we can't always live in the past where homosexuality was such a bad thing.

I do not care what the bible says. The bible is not the way of life, it will never be. The day religion dictates our laws is the day we lose it all. Being gay is a right we all have. Judging someone else, or saying their happiness is wrong, is not a right we have. Again, no one has the right to say someone's happiness is wrong. Last time I checked, we, as human beings, are supposed to be compassionate and caring about each other. When did "homosexuality is wrong, and we shall shun them and bully them" be considered compassionate?

 

[Nebulous]

Since when do other people have the right to judge others based on their happiness?

Since when? Since the beginning of time. Not just about people being gay but about anything in life. Anything anyone does is going to bother someone else out there. If someone has an issue with the way you are living your life, its their issue. Let them deal with it and go on living your life the way you want to. 🙂

My point was, no one does have that right. No one has to right to judge others

I have the right to judge whoever I want and so do you, so does everyone else. We're all entitled to opinions and can be judgmental all we want. But no matter how we feel towards another person on the inside, we should all treat each other with respect and tolerance on the outside, to their face at least. That's what separates us from the animals. Civility.

I disagree. We're not talking about the animal kingdom and what rules they have. We're talking about human beings who have made a decision - a decision to love another man or another woman.. Who are you or anyone else to judge them? Who are you or anyone else to think or say "this is wrong"? Exactly, you have no right. What you say or think, it's not how the world works. Whether people like it or not, homosexuality is becoming normal. Times are changing, we can't always live in the past where homosexuality was such a bad thing.

I do not care what the bible says. The bible is not the way of life, it will never be. The day religion dictates our laws is the day we lose it all. Being gay is a right we all have. Judging someone else, or saying their happiness is wrong, is not a right we have. Again, no one has the right to say someone's happiness is wrong. Last time I checked, we, as human beings, are supposed to be compassionate and caring about each other. When did "homosexuality is wrong, and we shall shun them and bully them" be considered compassionate?

See my post you're quoting for my response to the whole "right to judge others" topic you're repeating over again, I don't think I need to repeat it over again too. 😛

But to elaborate, its rather ignorant to expect all human beings to accept all forms of sexuality. We all have the freedoms to be whatever we want and think what we want. People being nice, respectful and tolerant externally is the best outcome you could ever hope for in this situation.

To think anything else is attainable would require brainwashing (and I don't think that's possible in 2014). 😛

 

[Gamer Outpost]

Since when do other people have the right to judge others based on their happiness?

Since when? Since the beginning of time. Not just about people being gay but about anything in life. Anything anyone does is going to bother someone else out there. If someone has an issue with the way you are living your life, its their issue. Let them deal with it and go on living your life the way you want to. 🙂

My point was, no one does have that right. No one has to right to judge others

I have the right to judge whoever I want and so do you, so does everyone else. We're all entitled to opinions and can be judgmental all we want. But no matter how we feel towards another person on the inside, we should all treat each other with respect and tolerance on the outside, to their face at least. That's what separates us from the animals. Civility.

I disagree. We're not talking about the animal kingdom and what rules they have. We're talking about human beings who have made a decision - a decision to love another man or another woman.. Who are you or anyone else to judge them? Who are you or anyone else to think or say "this is wrong"? Exactly, you have no right. What you say or think, it's not how the world works. Whether people like it or not, homosexuality is becoming normal. Times are changing, we can't always live in the past where homosexuality was such a bad thing.

I do not care what the bible says. The bible is not the way of life, it will never be. The day religion dictates our laws is the day we lose it all. Being gay is a right we all have. Judging someone else, or saying their happiness is wrong, is not a right we have. Again, no one has the right to say someone's happiness is wrong. Last time I checked, we, as human beings, are supposed to be compassionate and caring about each other. When did "homosexuality is wrong, and we shall shun them and bully them" be considered compassionate?

See my post you're quoting for my response to the whole "right to judge others" topic you're repeating over again, I don't think I need to repeat it over again too. 😛

But to elaborate, its rather ignorant to expect all human beings to accept all forms of sexuality. We all have the freedoms to be whatever we want and think what we want. People being nice, respectful and tolerant externally is the best outcome you could ever hope for in this situation.

To think anything else is attainable would require brainwashing (and I don't think that's possible in 2014). 😛

Well the liberal media and education system seem to be doing an alright job of brainwashing 😛.

 

[Bluezone777]

@ the Governor You say no one has a right to judge others yet we seem to have no problem judging the below groups of people and stating what they do is wrong. I didn't see any exceptions to your blanket statement that no one should be judged when I doubt you let these groups of people show below off the hook without some judgment of your own so...

Liars
Thieves
Rapists
Murderers
Child Molesters
abusers of others
Etc. Etc.

Now.. now we can't go around judging any of them or telling them what they do is wrong as you said that yourself. 😛

People may change what they believe but truth does not change. The reason why homosexuality was barred in the bible was because of its destructive nature both in terms of health and well being. Just because you have desires does not mean they are healthy. There are plenty of people with unhealthy desires that they didn't choose to have but we don't allow them to engage in them. One of them being the desire to abuse children.

It is not loving for someone to enable someone to continue doing what they feel is destructive behavior. Being loving sometimes means upsetting people as the truth will oftentimes anger the ones who need to hear it the most. It does not mean shunning them or bullying them but it does mean standing up to them and stating what they are doing is wrong. If they wish to not hear you then that is their right and most probably won't listen.

Being gay is not a right as it is a privilege so is everything else that is thrown around as a right because all things rest firmly on the fact that you were born and no one I know has ever earned the right to be born. You being born was a gift that was granted to you without you earning it and everything you acquire in that life is a gift because if you weren't born then none of the rest would have come.

 

[The Governor]

@ the Governor You say no one has a right to judge others yet we seem to have no problem judging the below groups of people and stating what they do is wrong. I didn't see any exceptions to your blanket statement that no one should be judged when I doubt you let these groups of people show below off the hook without some judgment of your own so...

Liars
Thieves
Rapists
Murderers
Child Molesters
abusers of others
Etc. Etc.

Now.. now we can't go around judging any of them or telling them what they do is wrong as you said that yourself. 😛

People may change what they believe but truth does not change. The reason why homosexuality was barred in the bible was because of its destructive nature both in terms of health and well being. Just because you have desires does not mean they are healthy. There are plenty of people with unhealthy desires that they didn't choose to have but we don't allow them to engage in them. One of them being the desire to abuse children.

It is not loving for someone to enable someone to continue doing what they feel is destructive behavior. Being loving sometimes means upsetting people as the truth will oftentimes anger the ones who need to hear it the most. It does not mean shunning them or bullying them but it does mean standing up to them and stating what they are doing is wrong. If they wish to not hear you then that is their right and most probably won't listen.

Being gay is not a right as it is a privilege so is everything else that is thrown around as a right because all things rest firmly on the fact that you were born and no one I know has ever earned the right to be born. You being born was a gift that was granted to you without you earning it and everything you acquire in that life is a gift because if you weren't born then none of the rest would have come.

We are not talking about an illegal crime. People judge murders and rapists because they broke the law, the hurt or killed someone. What did a gay person do that was so wrong? Screw another man? Oh give me a break! That is not a legal crime. Being gay is a right, I don't care if you're bible "barred" it. The bible is not the true way of life, nor is the bible the law. the bible is a made up book that basically brainwashes people into thinking "I have to follow this imaginary person or I will go to "hell" when I die." It's pathetic, pathetic that a religion can say "someone's happiness is wrong in the eyes of "god".

Get over yourselves, and get over your narcissistic ways. Whether people like it or not, being gay has become a right that everyone has. We are not born to follow your religion, we are not born in the same way your bible says we are. Some people are born gay, and some people who are born straight choose to be gay. Last time I checked, isn't that what the bible says, free will? Or does the bible basically say "free will so long as it doesn't offend the religion"? Pathetic. Pathetic this even has to be debated. No one has the right to judge someone's sexual preference. What's sadder is that the majority of these judgers, have done wrong in their life, or still do wrong on a daily basis. Hypocrites everywhere!

As someone else said, people who are so against homosexuality are just scared of something different being an option, they're scared that they may possibly be a little gay.

 

[UnholyVision]

We are not talking about an illegal crime. People judge murders and rapists because they broke the law, the hurt or killed someone. What did a gay person do that was so wrong? Screw another man?

I am not against gay people in any way shape or form, but what you are saying is contradictory here. Speaking in terms of no god or god written book, whom makes the laws here? Humans and those laws can very from culture to culture. (However, most structured societies today are quiet similar on the no killing & such). If a different group were to be in charge writing the laws then the gay person may very well be breaking a law as laws are not really a definitive thing. Any day now what you are doing here now (as in posting in a privately owned forum) could be considered a crime. You might say, "I didn't do anything wrong", but in the eyes of the social structure of the group you are a criminal. (My Point being, what is legal or illegal is irrelevant).

Before this is taken another way I will say this. Yes, I know first hand that hurting someone is wrong. However, I have been conditioned in said society & have had the privilege to observe things around me to come to that conclusion on my own. If I was brought up in say a head hunter tribe, I can't say my morality of what is right or wrong would be similar or opened minded thinking would be the same. I would likely be out there cooking people. (Be back in five, got to go turn Steve over so he doesn't get cooked to much on his back side). 😛

Edit: I read your post again after the post after me and noticed this

Some people are born gay, and some people who are born straight choose to be gay.

Say what..... You can be born gay, but are not choosing, but born straight, but choose to be gay... That makes no sense what so ever. Hormones in the body just do not work that way. The only way I could see anyone possibly choosing would be the female gender as they are not so inclined to not being able to perform. Yet there would still be a lack of feelings and other non PG13 material that would be missing.

 

[Bluezone777]

You said we shouldn't judge others now you say we should judge only a few of them. Which is it? We don't need a law to judge murder wrong as we know it harms therefore that's why we bar it from being done with the consent of men. You can still murder but no one will give it approval.

Just because you have a choice doesn't mean there are choices that won't be harmful if chosen but that's on you to make and live with the consequences of.

Happiness is not what I seek but rather joy which is completely different. This world constantly offers one shallow happiness and tries to push us all into believing that it's the only thing we can hope for when that's not the case. Happiness is skin deep and blows away like the wind while joy goes deep inside one's heart and stays even in the midst of strife. If your ways are so good then why don't they bring you any joy?

You are free to throw each and every insult you think you can throw at me and it will not make me in the slightest bit unhappy nor will it make me angry with you. I think that's something you should consider why that is.

 

[Cierra]

Tolerate or support?


Stuff......................... People shouldn't tolerate homosexuality; they should embrace it. After all, it's a very natural thing.

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I disagree, people should definitely not have to embrace homosexuality. They may not support it, but they are tolerant of it. You can be tolerant, but still not like/agree with homosexuality. Embrace in a loose way means like/support, which some people also don't do. Oh and to some people it's not a "natural" thing.

Definition of tolerance: "showing willingness to allow the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with."
" able to endure."

 

[jnugget]

some people are gay get over it (flies rainbow flag)

 

[Andyman9491]

You can't be born gay. It's a choice made. You wouldn't even know you're gay until you'd be maybe 13. You aren't really born any sexual preference for that matter. Saying you're born gay is like saying I'm born to like pop music. Things like that are not hereditary; they come from experience.

 

[jnugget]

You can't be born gay. It's a choice made. You wouldn't even know you're gay until you'd be maybe 13. You aren't really born any sexual preference for that matter. Saying you're born gay is like saying I'm born to like pop music. Things like that are not hereditary; they come from experience.

so you say you grew up and decided that you like girls you chose to like girls never mind all the physical and mental attraction the choise was made ...... give me a break

 

[Graffiti]

Even though homosexuality is not natural, I can't say it's right or wrong, but no one has the right to judge other people.

 

[Lord Saru]

Its not really a question of being gay from birth or not. If I am attracted to females, thats how I am made. If I am attracted to males, thats also how I am born. Its a natural event and you cant find fault with people for things like that.

Its gross.

 

[Fait]

I don't really care it's up to god to decide whether or not you burn for being gay or not when you die, I'm not against it and yes i'm proudly straight but don't care if someone is gay either I still support them since there still human.

as long as they don't try to get on to me or anything wrong by me.

 

[Rebel]

I don't care what people do. Lets just put that out there. If you make the choice to be gay then whatever. People indulge in all sorts of fetishes and no one's bothering to stop them (as long as they are within the legal limitations of the law). So do what you want in your own home. I don't care.

The one thing that bothers me as a healthcare provider is this notion that being gay is natural. That you can be born gay. Which is so astronomically stupid that it's hard for me to entertain. Anyone with a high school level of psychology can relate how the human being grows and adapts to their environment. How a child learns and becomes who he or she is. Anyone with a high school level of anatomy and physiology understands that certain genders have certain parts and certain parts meet up with certain other parts. We don't need a sex ed class in here to understand that homosexuality simply does not work. Nature does not care about preferences, feelings, thoughts, or emotions - sex is for procreation. If you indulge yourself in sex for other means than pro-creation...that's your choice. That's your path.

So there's my only real pet peeve with the matter. If you made the choice to be gay just be freakin happy about it. Don't try to pervert medicine to give yourself a reason for it. Just don't.

😉 Other than that just do whatever you want.

 

[Lord Saru]

You can actually turn into a straight if you want even though you are gay. It demonstrates the fact that sexuality isnt fully natural but it is foolish to assume that genetic predisposition has no point in determining your orientation.

 

[Rebel]

You can actually turn into a straight if you want even though you are gay. It demonstrates the fact that sexuality isnt fully natural but it is foolish to assume that genetic predisposition has no point in determining your orientation.

With all due respect the genetics community would disagree with your opinion. Science at this point does not support that. If science is foolish then we probably need to start rethinking a lot of our society.

 

[Lord Saru]

With all due respect the genetics community would disagree with your opinion. Science at this point does not support that. If science is foolish then we probably need to start rethinking a lot of our society.

I am sorry but I implore you to read a little further before you fully discredit the genetic factors involved with sexual orientation. As a student of medicine, I can tell you that the latest information suggests that Xq28 and 8p12 are parts of human genome that determine sexuality and has been proved using single nucleotide polymers in a lot of studies, the most recent one involving more than 400 pairs of gay brothers.

Let me hasten to add that my statement here donot, in any way, mean that sexual orientation is determined fully by genetic disposition. Its a factor, but not an absolute factor.

 

[Roxter]

Even though my Christian side wants to say it's wrong, I totally tolerate and embrace people who have made that choice. Like said, it MAY be due to genetics but personally, I think we need more scientific proof than just two parts of the DNA, like the post above says. The Lord just works in ways like that.

As you may know, I am very Christian but my attitude and personality is just too nice and friendly to say that homosexuality is wrong. That's why I never express that opinion at school, as I go to a Christian school. I may express it in Government class though, as our teacher does ask us sometimes what our opinion on current issues are, as he really likes that when we say. He's a really good teacher because of that.

 

[Gamer Outpost]

Even though my Christian side wants to say it's wrong, I totally tolerate and embrace people who have made that choice. Like said, it MAY be due to genetics but personally, I think we need more scientific proof than just two parts of the DNA, like the post above says. The Lord just works in ways like that.

As you may know, I am very Christian but my attitude and personality is just too nice and friendly to say that homosexuality is wrong. That's why I never express that opinion at school, as I go to a Christian school. I may express it in Government class though, as our teacher does ask us sometimes what our opinion on current issues are, as he really likes that when we say. He's a really good teacher because of that.

Being gay is wrong according to the Bible, so I believe all Christians should look at it as a sin just like lying, stealing, or murdering.

As far as scientific evidence? That's a bunch of bull. I know for a fact that genetics can cause a man to be "more manly" (higher testosterone for example), but if there was a gene that caused someone to be gay outright, than that gene would almost never get passed on as gay couples can not reproduce.

Therefore, the amount of gays would slowly dwindle, rather than slowly grow as we see in today's population.