It is time to change the way forums work.

Ghost

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Forums are outdated. The software is, and every forum is pretty much the same; as far as features go. Sure, some sites have additional features, but they are pretty common.

Some ways that I am revolutionizing GF is by taking away standard forum features, and adding new ones of my own. I am following Apple's way of control (of the user experience) and Facebook's simplicity.

Here's some ways I am doing that...

-Thread form above the thread listing on forum pages. This means that users can post a thread from the forum display, instead of clicking a 'new thread' button. This makes it easy to make a new thread and will encourage thread creation as it seems simple and quick!
> Furthermore, users are not taken to their thread after posting a thread, they just go straight back to their thread.
> Soon you will go back to the forum you were looking at after replying as in most cases if you are replying; you have already read the thread. Also, with the removal of bbcode (see below) there's no need to see if your post came out correctly, as it will show just like it does in the reply form.

-Removal of signatures. What's the point of signatures? My forum is a general forum and I don't want advertisements and all that. If users have something to say they can make a reply or a thread. The signatures take up space, and take away from people's focus on comments.

-Removal of post count. This encourages users to focus on quality instead of the number of posts they have. However, it does not discourage them to post! We use a level system. To reach the next level you may have to have a certain amount of posts, but for higher levels you need referrals, reputation (which we call 'Credit'), and X posts. Levels bring you extra privileges.

-Removal of bbcode. This replicate's Facebook's simplicity, and Apple's control of their product. You can't customize stuff as much. You don't see giant red coloring on Facebook posts. No. Content is not based on its beauty; it is based on the words and what is actually being said. This brings up a focus of quality and again focuses the users on the actual content. Furthermore, by taking away bbcode (colors, bolded text, etc) users can spend less time constructing a nice post, which means they will be more active 🙂

-Removal of log out button. What's the point? Most users these days have their own computer. It's also uncommon for a whole family to be on one forum, using the same computer. This also means they are always logged in, unless they clear their cache or something and this means they can just start browsing/posting without having to log in each time! (Users are not logged out after a short period of inactivity)

-Removal of thread stats, and individual forum stats. Who cares!? A forum is based on new content coming in each day, not old stuff that could be sitting their idle for weeks. Stats can't portray that. We have overall forum stats, but eventually those will go away too. At the moment you can see your individual post count in the sidebar (the user dashboard), but that will go away as well soon and be replaced by your current Level.

-Private messaging is currently enabled, but soon that will disappear. This will be a change that will piss many people off. However, it will bring their focus to the forums. We will replace the private messaging with contact forms for the staff if users have questions. However, we want all of our content to be public so anybody can reply.

-Unique forum names. Why should every general forum use 'Movies & TV' as a forum title? It's boring and common. We use something like... "The couch is my preferred area of relaxation" as the section title for Movies & TV. However, for all of our wacky section titles, we have a description that gives users the old, boring titles if they are confused.

-Staff and Users are on equal levels. There's no need for bolded usernames, colored usernames, etc. Staff have a job to do and yes they put in hard work. But being staff isn't about being in a constant parade where everyone knows you're staff because of your username color. We are all equal, but the staff just have some extra permissions. If all goes right, staff will be treated just as any member is treated; equal.

-Spread. Spread is how many posts your threads bring in. If you make 10 threads, and each thread gets 3 replies then you've brought in a total of 30 posts, or 40 including your threads. We take 30 (the # of replies) and divide it by your thread count; 10. An average of 3; so 3 is your 'Spread #'. Spread is used to represent how useful a user is. This is currently in development.
 
I'm interested to see how this works out for you, good luck 🙂 It wouldnt work for some types of forums however 🙂
 
Protection died IPs active, this IP range is not allowed !

Well thanks for never allowing me to visit your forum :/
 
Where are you from? Perhaps it is an old file in .htaccess, but you should be allowed! Unless you're blocked by CloudFlare for some reason.
 
Ghost said:
Where are you from? Perhaps it is an old file in .htaccess, but you should be allowed! Unless you're blocked by CloudFlare for some reason.

The UK.

I'm not blocked by Cloudflare and it isn't a Cloudflare message.
 
ShadyX said:
Ghost said:
Where are you from? Perhaps it is an old file in .htaccess, but you should be allowed! Unless you're blocked by CloudFlare for some reason.

The UK.

I'm not blocked by Cloudflare and it isn't a Cloudflare message.
I too, am having this problem 🙁
 
The Reverend said:
ShadyX said:
Ghost said:
Where are you from? Perhaps it is an old file in .htaccess, but you should be allowed! Unless you're blocked by CloudFlare for some reason.

The UK.

I'm not blocked by Cloudflare and it isn't a Cloudflare message.
I too, am having this problem 🙁
Okay hmm. Well Fowler can access it fine. Have you ever been banned by any site hosted on EmpireHostings.com or Believehosting.net?
Sometimes hosts put IP bans for people that affect every site they host.
 
Ghost said:
The Reverend said:
ShadyX said:
Ghost said:
Where are you from? Perhaps it is an old file in .htaccess, but you should be allowed! Unless you're blocked by CloudFlare for some reason.

The UK.

I'm not blocked by Cloudflare and it isn't a Cloudflare message.
I too, am having this problem 🙁
Okay hmm. Well Fowler can access it fine. Have you ever been banned by any site hosted on EmpireHostings.com or Believehosting.net?
Sometimes hosts put IP bans for people that affect every site they host.
Ive never been banned from a site on either of those 😛
 
It was my PHP firewall. I have no removed it and am purging CloudFlare - thanks for reporting this. You should now be able to access the site.
 
Looking at your site, I think that you are putting simplicity ahead of the appearance and usability of your site. For example the "Thread form". Users would view a section of your forum more often to view topics than to start a new topic. When viewing a forum, I can't see even 1 topic until I scroll down. The time users waste scrolling down will balance out the time saved by having to click a new topic button once in a while.
 
Do you use a mobile or something? It does not take that long to scroll on a computer. Whether it's Mac or XP - it takes about a millisecond to scroll down. However, thanks for the feedback - I will DEFINITELY take that into consideration.

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THANK YOU!!! For your suggestion. I got the perfect solution. New thread form is hidden. If you press 'New Thread' the form appears there. Thanks for pointing out the design part of this, and its flaws.
 
Ghost said:
New thread form is hidden. If you press 'New Thread' the form appears there. Thanks for pointing out the design part of this, and its flaws.
Great idea 🙂
 
You have some great ideas which I have never seen before, I hope this works out well for you. 🙂
 
Thank you 22, I hope they do well! I just disabled private messaging - we'll see how that goes.
 
Ghost said:
Thank you 22, I hope they do well! I just disabled private messaging - we'll see how that goes.
Not so sure I'd personally recommend that.
 
You have some good points, but I think you're on the wrong track to be honest.

Points I agree with:


  • Removing signatures. They really aren't needed, but it depends on your niche. Generally, however, it's fine to remove them.

    Post count. I agree - get rid of them in the postbit, but let people see them in their profile. Many people like seeing how much a certain person has contributed, and keeping them in their profiles will allow this. Profiles are being used less, which is wrong if you're trying to build an actual community. Additional information in profiles doesn't hurt.

    Removal of thread stats, and individual forum stats. These are only needed for admins via the Admin CP for obvious reasons such as forum popularity and activity. Keep the number of replies per topic, however.

    Staff and Users are on equal levels. I always strive for this. I do use colored usernames, because people need to know right away who a moderator is. If someone is breaking a rule and he receives a PM from a "regular" user, he may not be as obliged to listen.

Points I disagree with:


  • Removal of BBCode. If you're trying to have a content-focused forum, removing a features that helps to keep content organized is not the way to go. Most people do not like reading long paragraphs of plain text. If the posts are made organized with headings and style, users have an easier time reading through it. This is only for those occasions in which BBCode is needed, though. On some forums, it might be rare.

    Unique forum names. Not really needed. Generic names are better if you're using simplicity to pull in registrations. Make the descriptions creative, not the forum names. This way, people can quickly scan what they want to read or post in without having to read descriptions. If you're concerned about SEO, keep the forum names themselves as descriptive or generic as possible.

    Removal of log out button. The point of this is to keep accounts secure while using public computers. Yes, many people own their own computer/phone to browse the web, but there are still many that may want to log in at school or work. The ability to log off makes sure nobody else uses their account.

    Private messaging. It's your prerogative if you don't want your users to have privacy. Keep in mind that this is not conducive to keeping members. Facebook gets a lot of flack because of user privacy. Turning this off also removes a staff members ability to contact members about rules. Essentially, even minor infractions will have to be handled through the Warning system.

    Spread. Every user is useful. I don't see the point in this system, unless it is just for admins and moderators. Even then, what will information give you? It doesn't really determine much other than if the user has popular topics.

    Calling topics threads. If you're trying to change things up and revolutionize your forum, get rid of the old usage of "threads" and start calling them topics or discussions.

I can see why you want to change things - everyone and their mother has their own forum. There are so many out there, that it is hard to compete without a unique niche. Changing things with end-users in mind is a step in the right direction, but changing things just for the sake of change is not.

I would advise taking a look at Brad-t's Mybb Humanization Project, as it has many things that are extremely useful for admins.
 
Thank you for your reply, I'll post more later...but:
PMs are not really needed on a gen. Forum. Users will adjust.
Post count is pointless as a # doesn't say anything other than they like to post.
Spread however, tells us about the quality of their posts (or at least topics).
Spread may include post count, thread count AND the replies threads get.
Bbcode is not needed, it's a luxury. Users will learn to write in a fashion that doesn't need to look colorful to be appreciated. I understand headers, but these are discussions - not info topics etc like you'd see on FP.
Il change "threads" to discussions, and it'll be something like "Spark a discussion" instead of make new thread.

Since I made this OP, forum names were made simple and SEO orientated.

A successful forum is not like it's competitors, it is nothing like its competitors. My forum will be based on activity that users experience, not post counts. Content will be the focus, while distractions such as bbcodes, PMs, etc will not.

I am trying something new and so far it is working.

In the first 7 days (today's our 7th day) and just two links to GF, on FP and webgurubb we have over 410 posts.
 
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