Judge Allows Spousal Rape on Islamic Grounds

[InfiniteJest]

@Sayf Udeen: There's no need to be arrogant. You are a moderate Muslim because you don't go around killing people. I am a moderate Christian because I do not go around killing people. A radical would be someone who wants to kill the infidel (Christian or Muslim). Clearly, you don't want to kill the infidel, and I do not want to kill abortion doctors. Thus, I called you a moderate Muslim as opposed to a Jihadist. FYI, there are a lot of Muslims who identify themselves as moderate.

@Snobothehobo: There are. Those people are cold blooded wackos.

Islam does not preach that you should "Kill the infidel" and neither does Christianity. That's a very shortsighted statement. This man says he is not a moderate muslim, he is not a moderate muslim, he knows more about himself than you do.

 

[Cosmic]

@Sayf Udeen: There's no need to be arrogant. You are a moderate Muslim because you don't go around killing people. I am a moderate Christian because I do not go around killing people. A radical would be someone who wants to kill the infidel (Christian or Muslim). Clearly, you don't want to kill the infidel, and I do not want to kill abortion doctors. Thus, I called you a moderate Muslim as opposed to a Jihadist. FYI, there are a lot of Muslims who identify themselves as moderate.

@Snobothehobo: There are. Those people are cold blooded wackos.

Islam does not preach that you should "Kill the infidel" and neither does Christianity. That's a very shortsighted statement. This man says he is not a moderate muslim, he is not a moderate muslim, he knows more about himself than you do.

Are you sure? To Muslims in the middle east, sharea (sp?) law is part of their religion. When suicide bombers blow themselves up, they believe that them and their families get an automatic ticket to heaven. Many sects of Islam believe that it is their divine mission to convert or kill the infidel.

 

[InfiniteJest]

@Sayf Udeen: There's no need to be arrogant. You are a moderate Muslim because you don't go around killing people. I am a moderate Christian because I do not go around killing people. A radical would be someone who wants to kill the infidel (Christian or Muslim). Clearly, you don't want to kill the infidel, and I do not want to kill abortion doctors. Thus, I called you a moderate Muslim as opposed to a Jihadist. FYI, there are a lot of Muslims who identify themselves as moderate.

@Snobothehobo: There are. Those people are cold blooded wackos.

Islam does not preach that you should "Kill the infidel" and neither does Christianity. That's a very shortsighted statement. This man says he is not a moderate muslim, he is not a moderate muslim, he knows more about himself than you do.

Are you sure? To Muslims in the middle east, sharea (sp?) law is part of their religion. When suicide bombers blow themselves up, they believe that them and their families get an automatic ticket to heaven. Many sects of Islam believe that it is their divine mission to convert or kill the infidel.

Find me that in the Quaran.

 

[Cosmic]

@Sayf Udeen: There's no need to be arrogant. You are a moderate Muslim because you don't go around killing people. I am a moderate Christian because I do not go around killing people. A radical would be someone who wants to kill the infidel (Christian or Muslim). Clearly, you don't want to kill the infidel, and I do not want to kill abortion doctors. Thus, I called you a moderate Muslim as opposed to a Jihadist. FYI, there are a lot of Muslims who identify themselves as moderate.

@Snobothehobo: There are. Those people are cold blooded wackos.

Islam does not preach that you should "Kill the infidel" and neither does Christianity. That's a very shortsighted statement. This man says he is not a moderate muslim, he is not a moderate muslim, he knows more about himself than you do.

Are you sure? To Muslims in the middle east, sharea (sp?) law is part of their religion. When suicide bombers blow themselves up, they believe that them and their families get an automatic ticket to heaven. Many sects of Islam believe that it is their divine mission to convert or kill the infidel.

Find me that in the Quaran.

Sorry, but just look at the news. You see Muslim women stoned ALL the time.

I guess you can chose to think that the Muslim world is peaceful and has more freedoms than we do, but you;d be very, very wrong.

 

[katy perry is hot]

But that's the problem with your statement. This is the way they want to live their lives. Their religious text teaches them these things in the Middle East. We have absolutely no right as Americans, Christians, Brits, Scots, whatever, to tell them they are wrong and need to stop wearing Hijab or whatever else conflicts with our culture.

 

[Cosmic]

But that's the problem with your statement. This is the way they want to live their lives. Their religious text teaches them these things in the Middle East. We have absolutely no right as Americans, Christians, Brits, Scots, whatever, to tell them they are wrong and need to stop wearing Hijab or whatever else conflicts with our culture.

We aren't doing that in their own countries. However, we do have the right to impose our laws on them in our own nations.

 

[katy perry is hot]

But that's the problem with your statement. This is the way they want to live their lives. Their religious text teaches them these things in the Middle East. We have absolutely no right as Americans, Christians, Brits, Scots, whatever, to tell them they are wrong and need to stop wearing Hijab or whatever else conflicts with our culture.

We aren't doing that in their own countries. However, we do have the right to impose our laws on them in our own nations.

You sure about that? The whole purpose of these two wars was also to "spread democracy and American values to the middle east" as said by numerous republican politicians. That includes Bush and Cheney.

 

[David]

Sorry, but just look at the news. You see Muslim women stoned ALL the time.

I guess you can chose to think that the Muslim world is peaceful and has more freedoms than we do, but you;d be very, very wrong.

Point being? You must look at it from perspective. If you were brought up as a muslim, grew in a Islamic nation, went to Islamic schools and believed in the Qur'an, you would be saying that Muslim way of life is peaceful etc.. You can't deny that. But since you're an American, and grew up in a Christian society, dominated by the White race and Western ethics, you have the perspective that the Muslim world is not peaceful and has lesser freedoms.

Because of where you grew up, you probably will never change your view, as it's mindset. If you choose to travel to Islamic nations and learn their ways of life, you will gather a much different perspective about Muslims.

 

[Cosmic]

And is that supposed to be an excuse for them killing us as well?

 

[David]

And is that supposed to be an excuse for them killing us as well?

Did I say it was? This just shows you are not open minded and have no understanding of Islam. To you, it may be killing; to them, it may be sacrificial or vengeance-like. It's all about perspective; so no, it's not an excuse; it's a plausible reasoning without bias.

Again, if you were brought up in their society, you would be placing a different point of view. You would understand why and where they are coming from.

 

[Cosmic]

So, the deaths of the several people killed on 9/11 could have been entirely fair because our opinions are just as valid as he most barbaric and savage traditions, including terrorism? All ideas are not created equal, just because someone things something, that doesn't make it right.

 

[David]

So, the deaths of the several people killed on 9/11 could have been entirely fair because our opinions are just as valid as he most barbaric and savage traditions, including terrorism? All ideas are not created equal, just because someone things something, that doesn't make it right.

Yes. Once more, if you were brought up in their society, you would be voicing a different view.

I, myself, didn't like what happened on 9/11, but I don't go around saying that the Muslim way of living is less peaceful and has lesser freedoms. Also, I could counter your example with Truman's war crimes; allowing the detonation of the first atomic bomb. Was this fair? That's worst than 9/11 in its own right, and yet too many people focus on why USA is such a great country, when they have one of the most intruding and deadliest history.

 

[katy perry is hot]

So, the deaths of the several people killed on 9/11 could have been entirely fair because our opinions are just as valid as he most barbaric and savage traditions, including terrorism? All ideas are not created equal, just because someone things something, that doesn't make it right.

9/11 was our fault. Wake up. It was because of the US meddling with that area... us building bases on Muslim holy land, assassinating and replacing their leaders with our own choices, etc.. since the 50's. It could have been stopped if the Bush admin had taken care of Bin Laden with greater effort when he received that briefing just months before. It was the fault of this country as well as the fault of the Bush administration for not acting on it.

That's not to say I support the actions of these terrorists, or support the deaths of my countrymen. I do believe the actions of these terrorists were wrong, and we have every right to retaliate and kill Bin Laden as well as the rest of al-Queda.
You just need to stop being blinded by crap like "OMG THEFLAG IS GOOD ND THE TERIST CAME WITH NO REAZN WE R BEST CANTRY IN EARTH WE INVENT FREEDOM NO ONE BETTER THAN US WE ALWASZ RITE OKZ"

Because we are not always right. As DOTDAVID said, we have made a lot of mistakes in our history, and we have killed tons of innocent people as a country. We are not perfect.

 

[Cosmic]

Most military experts believe that if the atomic bombs weren't detonated, more lives of innocent civilians would have been lost. Anyway, I still can't see how you can argue the equivalent of "Crouching in a cave like a Neanderthal = modern life".

If everyone in the middle east is incline to believe that everything the Koran says is true, then why does anyone have to be stoned to death? If that were true, everyone would follow what the Koran says.

@Irviding: What a classic stereotype that the left uses against everyone who disagrees with them. I'd hope you could at least be original.

 

[Dean]

Ok here's the thing that is really really bothering me in your posts Cosmic, you keep saying that people in the middle east are killing people, women are being stoned all the time on the streets etc..

The thing you don't seem to realize is, Islam doesn't teach you to kill others, nor does it teach to "stone" another person, be it a woman or man.

Middle Easterns who are doing these things are interpreting the Quran in their own way, they are doing what THEY think the Quran tells Muslims to do.

However, being a Muslim myself, yes the Quran teaches to fight people, If and only IF you are being attacked for no reason or false claim; even then fighting is the last option to resolving an issue. The Quran does not teach men to stone woman if they have committed sin, these extremists believe the woman needs to be stoned to make an example of.

And as David has said, you are viewing Islam as you see it in the news and viewing it in your perspective, however, if you were Muslim, you would know that Islam is not a religion of violence whatsoever.

 

[Cosmic]

It's impossible to argue with those with world views which believe that anything is correct if at least one person thinks it. If I were to pull out a gun and shoot you right now, for no cited reason, would that be moral?

 

[katy perry is hot]

It's impossible to argue with people with world views where it gets to the point where they believe that anything is correct if at least one person thinks it. If I were to pull out a gun and shoot you right now, for no cited reason, would that be moral?

No.

 

[Cosmic]

It's impossible to argue with people with world views where it gets to the point where they believe that anything is correct if at least one person thinks it. If I were to pull out a gun and shoot you right now, for no cited reason, would that be moral?

No.

What if my upbringing said that shooting you for no reason was not only moral, but called upon by god?

 

[David]

It's impossible to argue with those with world views which believe that anything is correct if at least one person thinks it. If I were to pull out a gun and shoot you right now, for no cited reason, would that be moral?

This depends on our upbringing, so no for me.

 

[Cosmic]

It's impossible to argue with those with world views which believe that anything is correct if at least one person thinks it. If I were to pull out a gun and shoot you right now, for no cited reason, would that be moral?

This depends on our upbringing, so no for me.

so, then, should I be tried for murder? My religion, the church of Wackoism (one member) says that murder is justified.