libya

Gaddafi is a real wussy for leaving his country in fright of getting bombed. If he's so scared in getting bombed, what makes him think that it's okay to go bomb the citizens?

As for what Dan said

Dan said:
leave it be till it fixes itself, if things get worse, countries need to come together an put a stop to everyone there and calm it down.
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If we leave it and let it fix itself, do you know how many people's lives will be taken? I rather be safe than sorry and put an end to it already. I mean, you seriously think that we should still let it fix itself even though the Libyan government has started to BOMB and SHOOT at its own citizens? I don't think so.
 
MissTake said:
As I type this....Libyan people are firing anti-aircraft fire up into the sky, how long before one of our planes gets hit? ....Lives lost? 🙁
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Anti aircraft has for the most part been taken out by US naval ships. There are some anti aircraft capabilities in Tripoli left, but that's it. And let me be clear, libyan anti aircraft fire is not much of a threat. They still use WWII/Korea era anti air and it's really not going to have a chance to put much of a dent in us. Infact, the french began flying Saturday without the anti air even being taken out yet 😛
 
MissTake said:
Ah but my point was that the UN did nothing when Mugabe was ripping his own country apart, which was not that long ago?

.....also Syria, Bahrain, Yemen, have all been guilty of turning on their own people in this current crisis and likewise the Tibet pro-democracy people a few years back, what have the UN done.......nothing, well certainly not air strikes that's for sure?

...and as for Libya, civilians are deliberately congregating in the area's that are being targeted by the bombers, if the bombing continues there WILL be civilian deaths.

I'm not alone in this opinion, a poll taken this morning on a UK TV show showed that the majority of British residents agreed, it is not our war and non of our business and AGAIN our forces will be needlessly losing lives.
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The UN needs to evaluate what needs to be done to create peace. If them intervening will cause more issues then they shouldn't intervene. If the decision now will create peace, then how it is comparable to past events when they are already gone? How is looking back at the issues only going to help with the current situation? Note that the UN is built on country cooperation; country leaders can opt out of supporting the UN, so I would give them some credit for attempting to fix issues. It's not their responsibility to dictate what government leaders should do. If it was, then there would be not autocratic systems or Communism, but that simply isn't reality. What can be done now is far more important than what should have been done.
 
I'll say it again, they only chose the countries they wish to pick a fight with, in this instance they will use the Lockerbie excuse somewhere along the lines ..you can guarantee it 😉

Our armed forces are already under staffed, under equipped, under protected and over worked and now deployed in 3 war zones.

This is where I drop out of the conversation, I'm against the bombings, keeping peace is fine, nothing will change my opinion on the matter, I just don't think it's right and have no more to add :sad:
 
Armed forces under staffed, under protected, and under equipped? Not the US, maybe in the UK but even that I doubt.

You don't get it, they're not deployed technically. There aren't more than 50-100 planes up there? That might even by way over the range of how many planes are there. And obviously they aren't all British.

They're not even picking a fight with libya. There's an all out civil war going on there, with one side controlling the right side of the country, and the other side controlling the left side. The side controlling the left, Gaddafi's forces, are equipped militarily and are slaughtering civilians. The point here is misstake, the UN could've sent troops into the areas you previously mentioned, but it's not like there was an armed opposition that was already engaged in a civil war. In this case we are dealing with a civil war in which one side is murdering civilians like they're nothing with bombs.
 
Well, I'm not British. That's your issue with your government. And it's not like the US armed forces is any of those adjectives you described. Not when we spend 600 bil a year on it 😛

Again though you failed to answer the other points I brought up
 
I don't have a problem with the Libyan people wanting a say in how their government works and defiantly don't have a problem with them getting rid of Gaddaffi. I would like to see the man brought to trial for the crimes he committed against his people.

I do have a problem if America wants to put troops on the ground, I don't mind the others doing it. America's troops are stretched too thin as it is with Iraq and Afghanistan and really need a long break. Enforcing a no-fly zone and sending in planes and missiles to help out the Libyan Rebels, I have no problem with.
 
Lounger said:
I don't have a problem with the Libyan people wanting a say in how their government works and defiantly don't have a problem with them getting rid of Gaddaffi. I would like to see the man brought to trial for the crimes he committed against his people.

I do have a problem if America wants to put troops on the ground, I don't mind the others doing it. America's troops are stretched too thin as it is with Iraq and Afghanistan and really need a long break. Enforcing a no-fly zone and sending in planes and missiles to help out the Libyan Rebels, I have no problem with.
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America's troops are not at all stretched too thin. There are thousands of American soldiers encamped in pretty much every nation in the world that has diplomatic relations with the US. If you want to criticize the US for anything, don't criticize the military, because our military is a global force of pure manpower and destruction. As for that helping our reputation, it really doesn't, since our military has been mismanaged severely by the previous President.
 
katy perry is hot said:
Well, I'm not British. That's your issue with your government. And it's not like the US armed forces is any of those adjectives you described. Not when we spend 600 bil a year on it 😛

Again though you failed to answer the other points I brought up
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No I didn't fail to answer them, I already stated that my part was over, .....there's no point in continuing the discussion, you're like a dog with a bone.....who doesn't let go until he's demolished the whole thing. :lol:
 
katy perry is hot said:
I'm sorry but debating doesn't mean posting your view then not answering anymore.
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:lol: ....I've posted my views, answered what questions I can in return, tried to justify my opinions....I'm empty :shrug:
 
After some serious thought, I'm going to have to agree with MissTake on this one.

Starting wars for peace is not a good idea, and we need to stop doing it. I have no problem with using economic sanctions, but playing world police is wrong, and it hurts the world more than it helps it. Look at how badly the USA screwed up Iraq and Afghanistan. The people in Libya can change their own government like the people in Egypt did. Bombing to stop bombing simply does not work.
 
Mr. Duck said:
just kill the man...
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The US wouldn't kill Gaddafi. They rarely do things like that.

At FIRST, I thought we should do the no-fly zone. Right now, though...I think it was a bad decision that the government made, and now we must pursue victory in our new war, or we will appear weak. Which, in my opinion, will probably hurt national security.

Also it seems like a bigger waste of money than Iraq was.
 
Snobothehobo said:
After some serious thought, I'm going to have to agree with MissTake on this one.

Starting wars for peace is not a good idea, and we need to stop doing it. I have no problem with using economic sanctions, but playing world police is wrong, and it hurts the world more than it helps it. Look at how badly the USA screwed up Iraq and Afghanistan. The people in Libya can change their own government like the people in Egypt did. Bombing to stop bombing simply does not work.
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YAY!!! finally I'm not talking rot :lol:
 
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