London Riots - Lawless Britain
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Nelson Noa
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Snobothehobo said:I disagree with this massive violence as much as you do, but that's honestly better than the USA where they'd possibly execute them all in many places. :shrug:MissTake said:It doesn't help when a retired magistrate says live on air that kids under the age of 18 are more than likely not to get a sentence, it has to be severe violence or severe sexual activity and a past record to get sent away, if it's their first offence they're home free
Imagine how bad this would be if it weren't for the gun control in the UK.
Not necessarily if it were in the USA this would never happen in the first place 😎
April 29, 1992, there was a riot on the streets tell me where were you?Mr.Alpha said:Snobothehobo said:I disagree with this massive violence as much as you do, but that's honestly better than the USA where they'd possibly execute them all in many places. :shrug:MissTake said:It doesn't help when a retired magistrate says live on air that kids under the age of 18 are more than likely not to get a sentence, it has to be severe violence or severe sexual activity and a past record to get sent away, if it's their first offence they're home free
Imagine how bad this would be if it weren't for the gun control in the UK.
Not necessarily if it were in the USA this would never happen in the first place 😎
Nelson Noa
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I was not born.
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I was three months old. Does that count?
Seriously, though, this type of thing has happened and could easily happen again in the USA. Due to the amounts of guns on the street in the USA, it would probably be much more deadly as well.
Seriously, though, this type of thing has happened and could easily happen again in the USA. Due to the amounts of guns on the street in the USA, it would probably be much more deadly as well.
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That's not to mention that the police in the United States will use deadly force a lot sooner than the European police.Gimgak said:
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Uhh we are talking about london here.. not usa...khaleel said:
I though the riots was just unacceptable in a civilized world and I think that all the criminals should be punished with heavy fines and long jail sentences for the disgusting actions they did. It was just a way to make a bit of money for those criminals and it was a disgrace.
HA HA HA, oh wow. These rioters should be following these guys' lead.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/10/ ... 64x985.jpg
I mean god damn, my house is worth around 40k pounds... FFS UK, FFS...
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/10/ ... 64x985.jpg
I mean god damn, my house is worth around 40k pounds... FFS UK, FFS...
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Wow, you're rich. Our house probably wouldn't even sell for 30k pounds. :lol:Gimgak said:
I think one interesting thing you should note is that punishments have been lifted and the severity of the crime doesn't have to be high in order to attain a severe punishment.lorcan said:
Some people who would have got a good behaviour bond before the riots, now are getting jail sentences, all because of what the government has determined to be the remand rate.
So, consider this scenario. You happen to be speeding (could only be 5 above) down a main road, and someone believes you are contributing to the riots, and as a result of your actions, people begin to throw stones at others and buildings or what not. You get caught for speeding, but what would have been a ticket before the riots, would now probably be a jail sentence or at least a fine which is unjust in nature. Do you consider this a just treatment of the situation, and especially if you were in that situation? This could be your next door neighbour, or anyone you know, and you know they are not rioters.
This is a probable situation which shows why having longer or heavier punishments is not the right deterrent for any situation. What you are doing is manipulating the justice system in accordance to an emotional response, but not an objective, analytic response.
Of course I don't support what the rioters did, but it gives the government no excuse to increase punishments for an isolated situation in order to a) create a deterrent, b) make money and c) create a political stunt. Once governments interfere with due process and the justice system, corruption occurs, and this isn't just for the riots. The same punishment should be given out as if it occurred before the riots, and all be treated individually, instead of a collective judgment and response.
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I completely agree, DavidL. Interfering with the rule of law to prove a point is a very bad idea. I'm sure the Brits aren't going to do that because they know where that got them in the past. 😉
Well this isn't going to be popular but, I'm not sure of the reason behind the beginning of the rioting, but now it continues simply because these knuckle draggers can. My answer, tell the police to open fire!! Now if that doesn't get me on most people's s**t list nothing will. 🙂
I'd say they should have killed the rioters when they tried to attack, and had the police armed with guns. Rubber bullets aren't as scary as death itself. Also helicopters should have been shooting people from above.
They shouldn't be letting anyone riot. At all.
They shouldn't be letting anyone riot. At all.
SnoBOOthehobo said:
The people of the UK have been pleading for years for the criminal justice system to tighten up, it's bloody ridiculous that rapists and murderers get lesser jail terms than tax evaders :roll:
The NON threat of a jail term was what prevented these thugs from being scared in the first place :sad:
But that wasn't my point. My point was to not increase criminal (in)justice in times of lawlessness. It's not a good deterrent because the people you are putting away may be as bad as yesterday's speeding driving, going 10km above the speed limit, and so, there is an inconsistency between sentencing, perfect for any Counsel or Prosecutor to use to their advantage in future court cases.MissSpook said:
Unfortunately, you can't change what has been done, but now, there should be an increased level of criminal justice, but only to an extent where people can exercise their rights and not feel they are trapped in a somewhat nanny state.
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