Macro Evolution ---> Wheres The Evidence
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Howard_Crane
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Like my favourite scholar said, but from a different context and point; before the microscop, if you told people that on the end of their finger, was a whole community of living cells, things going on... your liable to have the whole village turn out and burn you at the stake.
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Did you miss the " some " in my post?
Exactly, there's no way to prove there isn't a deity either, which is why I lean Agnostic rather than Atheist. You can't base laws off something you can't prove exists. There's NO evidence for a deity force, there is a TON of evidence for Evolution.
Irviding said:
Exactly, there's no way to prove there isn't a deity either, which is why I lean Agnostic rather than Atheist. You can't base laws off something you can't prove exists. There's NO evidence for a deity force, there is a TON of evidence for Evolution.
Howard_Crane
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But more specifically no one can prove God to another person. This is where science has it wrong.
See. Way back when, there was this tradition. And it was called Mysticism. It spawned what has evolved into the science we know today.
The premise is that you cannot depend upon any other living entity for the answers to the questions we all ask. You have to experiment with your enviornment and learn the ropes for yourself. You search inside yourself. And that was fine. No one died. It was all groovy.
Now days, you can say we're advanced because we can fly people (allegedly) to the moon, you can deprive brown kids from a meal, and sustain more wars at once than we had between the first ten melleniums of AD. But there's one thing that's missing, and that's freedom of mind. Freedom from institutions that tell us exactly what's out there, what isn't, and mostly... what MIGHT be out there.
This is what religion and science does to people. It takes away reason. Because the "facts" are already there. Look back in history, there were some fucked up civilizations back then and they did unforgivable things and were completely convinced it was ok. They held loony beliefs, like in Rome they used to believe demons could make women pregnant.
I find it a bit egotistical to assume man has reached the peak of intellect and understanding. Especially since he rarely understands himself of his emotions. How can that give an accurate picture of reality?
If I showed you why I believe in God, you wont believe me. And good for you. But I find it sad that you need to partake in this demanding proof of the existence of God. I find that this is some kind of indication that you actually want proof of his existence, somewhere deep down. Everyone wants to prove God exists. But the definitive evidence wont come from your labratories or chalkboards, it'll come from YOU.
See. Way back when, there was this tradition. And it was called Mysticism. It spawned what has evolved into the science we know today.
The premise is that you cannot depend upon any other living entity for the answers to the questions we all ask. You have to experiment with your enviornment and learn the ropes for yourself. You search inside yourself. And that was fine. No one died. It was all groovy.
Now days, you can say we're advanced because we can fly people (allegedly) to the moon, you can deprive brown kids from a meal, and sustain more wars at once than we had between the first ten melleniums of AD. But there's one thing that's missing, and that's freedom of mind. Freedom from institutions that tell us exactly what's out there, what isn't, and mostly... what MIGHT be out there.
This is what religion and science does to people. It takes away reason. Because the "facts" are already there. Look back in history, there were some fucked up civilizations back then and they did unforgivable things and were completely convinced it was ok. They held loony beliefs, like in Rome they used to believe demons could make women pregnant.
I find it a bit egotistical to assume man has reached the peak of intellect and understanding. Especially since he rarely understands himself of his emotions. How can that give an accurate picture of reality?
If I showed you why I believe in God, you wont believe me. And good for you. But I find it sad that you need to partake in this demanding proof of the existence of God. I find that this is some kind of indication that you actually want proof of his existence, somewhere deep down. Everyone wants to prove God exists. But the definitive evidence wont come from your labratories or chalkboards, it'll come from YOU.
Irviding said:
So thats it?
Since there's no evidence, there's no "deity force?"
I believe one does exist, evidence or not, I have mine...is it the evidence you are seeking, obviously not, oh well though...
Good Luck on your search bro.
Irviding said:
God man, lol ok, fine...you win, I convert! I convert! ~rolleyes~
btw, your link fails to load, nothing came up...
Howard_Crane said:
Oh man, don't even get me started, haha ~cheesey_grin~
Maybe Luna should be the next debate topic for us. ~wink~
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I don't remember linking anything to you.
I'm obviously not getting through to anyone, so you can continue to cherish your religious values and I'll stick with science.
I'm obviously not getting through to anyone, so you can continue to cherish your religious values and I'll stick with science.
I never said I was religious...
What does religion have to do with Intelligent Design?
I swear, some evolutionists are more religious than creationists ~cheesey_grin~
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Most of my biology teachers avoided me for some reason if I raised my hand... ~rolleyes~
What does religion have to do with Intelligent Design?
I swear, some evolutionists are more religious than creationists ~cheesey_grin~
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Most of my biology teachers avoided me for some reason if I raised my hand... ~rolleyes~
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Saruman said:
Because they found you to disrupt the learning process by bringing absurd beliefs into a science classroom 😛
Howard_Crane
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Excuse me, my beliefs aren't religious. It's Mysticism. There's a huge difference, look into it.
One (religion) is a set of pre-ordained principals that we must adhere to or not get some of the big cake at the end.
And Mysticism is a disciplin that encourages people to find their own principals, virtues, and perspectives.
Why does this have to be rivalling factions? You're just sitting on a position, and you wont even budge from it for 5 minutes to consider other people's ideas. So to defend your empty position, you've chosen to pidgeon-hole your competition, even incorrectly. As I said in the illegal downloads thread; every civilization thought they had it right. This one is no different.
One (religion) is a set of pre-ordained principals that we must adhere to or not get some of the big cake at the end.
And Mysticism is a disciplin that encourages people to find their own principals, virtues, and perspectives.
Why does this have to be rivalling factions? You're just sitting on a position, and you wont even budge from it for 5 minutes to consider other people's ideas. So to defend your empty position, you've chosen to pidgeon-hole your competition, even incorrectly. As I said in the illegal downloads thread; every civilization thought they had it right. This one is no different.
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Here is macroevolutionary evidence.. took me a few days to prepare it for you.
Human Chromosome #2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FGYzZOZx...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPp0c_5_m...
And here a side-by-side comparison of Chromosomes 1-9 of humans and chimpanzees:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI29OXqLB...
And this one about Mitochondrial DNA and ERVs (following more on Chromosome 2):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1fGkFuHI...
Human Chromosome #2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FGYzZOZx...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPp0c_5_m...
And here a side-by-side comparison of Chromosomes 1-9 of humans and chimpanzees:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI29OXqLB...
And this one about Mitochondrial DNA and ERVs (following more on Chromosome 2):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1fGkFuHI...
Howard_Crane said:
You never thought to even consider the idea that you are doing the same thing. You are being more stubborn that anyone in this topic. And for your last statement, you think you have it right as well, your own statement kills you. -😉-
congrats. wow i never thought out of the millions of species out there that none would be similar. its amazing how close bacteria are too. did they all evolve out of one of the plants? or out of the monkey's butt? -lol- but on a serious note. there are far too many species on earth for at least one complex animal to not be similar
gqgk said:
What do you think happened, they just blinked into existence? One day, god said, I would like orangutans, and ~blink~, there they were. So the snake didn't have legs, and the crocodile was always 20 feet or so long, why? Cause you say so. That's what I'm getting out of your post.
If there are two divisions of life, plants and animals. For the animals, they have many things in common, all animals must consume other life to live, they need oxygen, they move independently, they reproduce in simular ways, I could go on. With plants, they consume, they need combination of soil sun and water for food, they can't move, etc. etc. They don't have just a few similarities, they have many, these things aren't just random, they happened because they evolved from other life, and that life evolved from earlier life, etc.
Did you know there are at least 9000 species of birds, what happened, did they all just zap into existence, do you really think god would be that boring?
These animals evolved, if no animals could evolve, then once the climate changes, even a little, they'll die, because they can't adapt.
actually did you know in the bible snakes did have legs at the beginning? doubt it. i'm actually a Christian that believes in more of an evolutionary thing. i'm just saying that either way you have a flaw. nothing will be proved ever until we die and maybe something happens where we can find out. until then all debates are really somewhat useless unless youre trying to have some fun
haha exactly. i like to see how mad people get over things that no body can ever prove. some people hold onto ideas like a little kid holds on to santa. no matter what you say santa exists because there are presents from him under the tree. its not a bad thing. and i can do it a lot. but some people get angry about it lol quite funny at times considering it will never be proved
gqgk said:
I know, but the fact of the matter is there is evidence that snakes had legs. There are little places where their legs used to be. They were like lizards, then they evolved. They are the newest form of reptile.
You shouldn't assume to know what I'm thinking. My dad is a biblical scholar. And I mean scholar.
Saruman said:
Of course you do, I mean, we're "we". You can't replace us. -D-
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