Music, TV, Video Games, Guns = Mass Shootings?
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Real life against whom? Unarmed ordinary people? No, the problem is they hate ordinary people and a combo of that - and the games. I mean, honestly, most of radical Islam and other supremacist groups hate ordinary people. They think they're effeminate, among other things.
Yes those things desensitize our children to violence, though prescription drugs are also to blame because their side effects can leave people in very dark moods and destroy their sense of empathy. When you combine anti-depressants and similar with violent games and lives that are going nowhere, it does result in many people behind seriously disturbed
Far right, Communist and Radical Islamic views see people are tools to get what they want - paper targets. That's not saying all of them would do bad things, but the base is there.
I agree that crap needs to be banned. We need traditional methods of mental help like a good diet, exercise (it lifts people out of depression), meditation, prayer.
However, schools need metal detectors and the like because schools, for various justified, unjustified reasons, won't logically be able to stop the negative forces causing school violence.
They could at least be a man about it and take on the high school ROTC (army class), at the least (being sarcastic).
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Mass murderers in the US, particularly school shooters, rarely have ideologies beyond being insane... we shouldn’t turn our schools into prison by putting up metal detectors. Far more students at our schools die from things like the flu and car accidents than shootings. Hell more die from shootings off school property than on. This problem is hyped for political gain.
Political gain won't be gotten. I mean, how can you force people of whatever ideology to stop? Instead, all we can do is prepare - and schools are going to have to be turned into airports.
As for the flu and car accident thing, true, those things are beyond school and police control - but shootings aren't.
Domestic terrorists, racial terrorists, mass shooters, serial killers, they're all in the same box. People who bring forth a reign of terror that lasts for a few hours, days, weeks, months or years. Video games, movies or media aren't responsible for creating these people. That may be the excuse they use at trial, but remember the insanity plea now comes with certain caveats because years ago, too many people were employing it just to avoid jail time or the death penalty. There are religious forces in America who see everything from the latest John Wick sequel, to marijuana (weed) as sinful, evil - and therefore a corrupting force upon the youth. That's insane but depending on what area of the country you live in, religious philosophies either call for being kind to your fellow man, or spending 23 hours a day at your local church. You can imagine which one the 'hollywood/gaming industry' blamer's come from.
Jesus made some statement to the effect that what goes in doesn't harm you, but what comes out. Also, he made no attempt to set up a theocracy on Earth at his time.
Anyway, you can find hidden evil in everything. For instance, I like Mario, but the Bible forbids magic. Mario and similar games are full of references to drugs (mushrooms) and magic. But... does that mean a real Christian, hardcore one, should avoid even those childish games?
True. It's the same nonsense the anti Harry Potter crowd tried to peddle also. I am not a fan of the HP film or book series, but the people trying to shut them down because it promotes 'witchcraft' have way too much time on their hands.
But then again, compared to Mario, the magic in Harry Potter is way more pushing an agenda, than being entertainment.
I'm tired of people (especially politicians) pushing the idea that games or guns are the problem. No, they're not the issue they are a scapegoat at best. The person who committed the atrocity is the problem. Figure out what drove them to the point they had to take people's lives and then work to fix that issue (or issues) so others don't go down the same path. But, and the sad part is, there will always be people out there who want to inflict harm. And they will figure out a way to inflict harm whether they use a gun, knife, bomb or truck. But don't blame/ban the tools they use thinking it'll solve anything because it won't.
The most likely ways, that I can think of, to fix these issues are: increasing resources for mental health, youth programs to give people things to do (so they don't sit home alone/lonely or get involved in gang activity), work programs (so people don't get hopelessly in debt), access to affordable health care. These type things give people hope for the future so they don't get disparaged and want to hurt others, connects them to the community so they care about others, keeps them healthy (and not mounted in debt for it) so they can enjoy life. And if those don't work (which they won't work perfectly in all cases) then bring in police.
But don't fall into the trap of thinking more government will solve the issue. It won't help. Truth is that in most cases no amount of additional government oversight would help. The Las Vegas shooting wouldn't have been stopped... the perpetrator had no criminal history, no known mental issues, no gang connections, no known substance abuse issues (outside a bit of drinking), he had gambled some but paid it all off. He purportedly displayed no abnormal behaviour in days leading up to the shooting. There were no signs and no way to tell. Nothing the government could have done would have prevented it. (Sure you can say ban the bumpstock, but it wouldn't really change anything.)
Just following the laws that exist already would have stopped at least 2 of the shootings in the recent history...
The shooter at the church in Sutherland Springs, Texas was convicted of domestic assault by an Air Force court and was thus banned from owning guns anyway. (In fact, had the government actually submitted the paperwork, he might not have gotten a gun.) The recent Parkland shooting could also have been prevented if the authorities had acted on knowledge they already had.
The most likely ways, that I can think of, to fix these issues are: increasing resources for mental health, youth programs to give people things to do (so they don't sit home alone/lonely or get involved in gang activity), work programs (so people don't get hopelessly in debt), access to affordable health care. These type things give people hope for the future so they don't get disparaged and want to hurt others, connects them to the community so they care about others, keeps them healthy (and not mounted in debt for it) so they can enjoy life. And if those don't work (which they won't work perfectly in all cases) then bring in police.
But don't fall into the trap of thinking more government will solve the issue. It won't help. Truth is that in most cases no amount of additional government oversight would help. The Las Vegas shooting wouldn't have been stopped... the perpetrator had no criminal history, no known mental issues, no gang connections, no known substance abuse issues (outside a bit of drinking), he had gambled some but paid it all off. He purportedly displayed no abnormal behaviour in days leading up to the shooting. There were no signs and no way to tell. Nothing the government could have done would have prevented it. (Sure you can say ban the bumpstock, but it wouldn't really change anything.)
Just following the laws that exist already would have stopped at least 2 of the shootings in the recent history...
The shooter at the church in Sutherland Springs, Texas was convicted of domestic assault by an Air Force court and was thus banned from owning guns anyway. (In fact, had the government actually submitted the paperwork, he might not have gotten a gun.) The recent Parkland shooting could also have been prevented if the authorities had acted on knowledge they already had.
I think most of them are lost causes - but at least we can beef up security at schools etc.. But.. I don't see that happening.
Even if the law is enforced, some people can get around it.
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