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Do you think that young men (and possibly women) should be made to do at least one year's national service for their country? Some countries still enforce this but many abolished it a long time ago.

I don't mean they should be sent off to war but I do think it would help to instil some morals, prevent teenage pregnancy, encourage a good work ethic, discourage gang and drug related situations. If after the one year they enjoyed the life they could stay on to do a full time career.

What do you guys think?
 
Conscription is utterly ridiculous. It's a grievous violation of human rights.
 
I honestly don't believe you can force someone to give up a year of their life. If you do it young, it messes with school. If you do it when they are older, it messes with their job and in turn their family.

Honestly, there are a lot of people out there who volunteer. I find we get better results from the few that volunteer than the many who are forced to do something.
 
ANARCHISM! People choose what to do with their lives, we're all born human. "Government" controls enough of our lives, don't let them take it away
 
What other suggestion would combat high drug/alcohol, gang, teen pregnancy, unemployment in one fowl swoop?

One year after leaving school is not a lot to take from a persons life if it's treated the same way as education, after all they are being educated in life skills? We send kids to school by law and no-one says a word :shrug:

Of course all those who are against this are usually the ones who are in the age bracket to be eligible if it came about.......I guess I wouldn't want to face it either at that age :lol:
 
That's because education is useful for the most part. National service is just making people brutes, lol. It's not fair to make someone do something like that.

Education is different because it's 6 hours a weekday and with a fairly relaxed atmosphere. National service is surely 24/7 with the exact opposite? You can't force someone to do that. It's immoral.
 
MissClaus said:
I guess I wouldn't want to face it either at that age :lol:
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There's the key problem. I'm not using that same old "f all people over 30" attitude, but I'm saying that once you put yourself into those shoes, you realize that it's really not something that should be going on. People volunteer enough. If we are seriously at war, and our way of life is being threatened, then yeah, we can talk then. Otherwise, requiring "national service" for all people is really just something that shouldn't go on... what are we going to do? Make them clean highways? Make them file papers for government agencies?
 
Hell no. Like Jon said, you can't just force someone to do something like that.

It's really that simple.
 
US should take Germany's principle of conscientious objections being a constitutional right. Why shouldn't it be?
 
Zezima said:
US should take Germany's principle of conscientious objections being a constitutional right. Why shouldn't it be?
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Because the US is too culturally militaristic. In Germany, someone who does that would be considered no less of a citizen, but in the US, if you did something like that, those who used it would be considered traitors to the country and probably would be publicly hung.
 
FarSide said:
If no one is willing to defend their country, they deserve none.
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Some people just aren't willing to blindly murder any person whom the state says is an enemy.
 
I do not believe that it should be required that people should do such a service but I do agree with the preventions that it will cause.

I, myself were asked to join the army for basic training or such due to me having a tolerance for it; with this I declined due to me not wishing to spend that amount of my life for such a thing and wanted to do the things that I enjoyed in life.
 
It would be against one's own free will. There are hundreds of millions who are educated enough to distinguish and acknowledge what is being said.

Anyway, an easy referendum would probably overturn the idea, as it would be a constitutional matter. Conscription has failed in Australia 2 times through referendums.
 
DavidL said:
It would be against one's own free will. There are hundreds of millions who are educated enough to distinguish and acknowledge what is being said.

Anyway, an easy referendum would probably overturn the idea, as it would be a constitutional matter. Conscription has failed in Australia 2 times through referendums.
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Conscription would easily pass Congress in the United States if there were even a small threat.
 
Snobothehohoho said:
DavidL said:
It would be against one's own free will. There are hundreds of millions who are educated enough to distinguish and acknowledge what is being said.

Anyway, an easy referendum would probably overturn the idea, as it would be a constitutional matter. Conscription has failed in Australia 2 times through referendums.
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Conscription would easily pass Congress in the United States if there were even a small threat.
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We already have the SSS... and yeah, just like the patriot act and the approval to attack Afghanistan and Iraq.
 
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