Obama's Watergate

[Deleted member 5665]

So between this and the fact that Obama wire-tapped Trump Tower as well as the White House before Trump became President. What do you guys think of Obama's Watergate?

 

[John]

If the media truly covered every president, all of them would have a WaterGate.

 

[Deleted member 5665]

If the media truly covered every president, all of them would have a WaterGate.

This is true, but some are worse than others. In Obama case this would be one of the worse.

 

[Smokey]

Can't say I'm surprised to be honest. Obama just seems like the kind of guy to do this.......but you'll always get the naysayers who claim this isn't true.

 

[Deleted member 5665]

Can't say I'm surprised to be honest. Obama just seems like the kind of guy to do this.......but you'll always get the naysayers who claim this isn't true.

What makes it funny when people deny Obama would do this, but then forget he did it to other world leaders back in 2013. lol

 

[Cosmic]

Given the size of the modern surveillance state, it is almost 100% inevitable that someone is going to use the NSA to spy on someone else for political gain. Democrats, just because the deep state is on your side at the moment, do not assume that it always will be. How would it feel if there were allegations that Trump's administration wiretapped your candidate in 2020 due to alleged ties to <insert country here>. Would you be okay with it if 17 of Trump's intelligence agencies assured you that Bernie was definitely working for the Chinese? The deep state does not have the interests of the american people as their primary goal.

 

[Deleted member 5665]

Given the size of the modern surveillance state, it is almost 100% inevitable that someone is going to use the NSA to spy on someone else for political gain. Democrats, just because the deep state is on your side at the moment, do not assume that it always will be. How would it feel if there were allegations that Trump's administration wiretapped your candidate in 2020 due to alleged ties to <insert country here>. Would you be okay with it if 17 of Trump's intelligence agencies assured you that Bernie was definitely working for the Chinese? The deep state does not have the interests of the american people as their primary goal.

Actions speak louder than words, but when it comes down to it honestly. I doubt this administration would use similar tactics to Obama or previous administrations. No way is it corrupted or evil in the sense of previous administration either that has been proven as a fact based on who is against this elected-administration. Deep State, Shadow Government, Obama, Rothschild, George Soros, etc are all up in arms on this administration and it is a battle between life and death for the US. So either Rothschild and George Soros and all their affiliates will be behind bars or put in front of a firing line or we're all screwed.

 

[Cosmic]

Given the size of the modern surveillance state, it is almost 100% inevitable that someone is going to use the NSA to spy on someone else for political gain. Democrats, just because the deep state is on your side at the moment, do not assume that it always will be. How would it feel if there were allegations that Trump's administration wiretapped your candidate in 2020 due to alleged ties to <insert country here>. Would you be okay with it if 17 of Trump's intelligence agencies assured you that Bernie was definitely working for the Chinese? The deep state does not have the interests of the american people as their primary goal.

Actions speak louder than words, but when it comes down to it honestly. I doubt this administration would use similar tactics to Obama or previous administrations. No way is it corrupted or evil in the sense of previous administration either that has been proven as a fact based on who is against this elected-administration. Deep State, Shadow Government, Obama, Rothschild, George Soros, etc are all up in arms on this administration and it is a battle between life and death for the US. So either Rothschild and George Soros and all their affiliates will be behind bars or put in front of a firing line or we're all screwed.

I hope we can trust Trump with the power of the NSA. But personally, I don't want anyone to have that power. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The NSA's surveillance powers are so extensive as to verge on absolute power.

 

[Deleted member 5665]

Given the size of the modern surveillance state, it is almost 100% inevitable that someone is going to use the NSA to spy on someone else for political gain. Democrats, just because the deep state is on your side at the moment, do not assume that it always will be. How would it feel if there were allegations that Trump's administration wiretapped your candidate in 2020 due to alleged ties to <insert country here>. Would you be okay with it if 17 of Trump's intelligence agencies assured you that Bernie was definitely working for the Chinese? The deep state does not have the interests of the american people as their primary goal.

Actions speak louder than words, but when it comes down to it honestly. I doubt this administration would use similar tactics to Obama or previous administrations. No way is it corrupted or evil in the sense of previous administration either that has been proven as a fact based on who is against this elected-administration. Deep State, Shadow Government, Obama, Rothschild, George Soros, etc are all up in arms on this administration and it is a battle between life and death for the US. So either Rothschild and George Soros and all their affiliates will be behind bars or put in front of a firing line or we're all screwed.

I hope we can trust Trump with the power of the NSA. But personally, I don't want anyone to have that power. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The NSA's surveillance powers are so extensive as to verge on absolute power.

He already had power before he was President. He owned over 500 businesses he could have formed his own version of the NSA if he chose to, but as much as we are aware he never has. Therefore we could consider him more responsible with that form of power, but it is highly possible he could dismantle both the NSA and the Act along with it.

 

[Cosmic]

Given the size of the modern surveillance state, it is almost 100% inevitable that someone is going to use the NSA to spy on someone else for political gain. Democrats, just because the deep state is on your side at the moment, do not assume that it always will be. How would it feel if there were allegations that Trump's administration wiretapped your candidate in 2020 due to alleged ties to <insert country here>. Would you be okay with it if 17 of Trump's intelligence agencies assured you that Bernie was definitely working for the Chinese? The deep state does not have the interests of the american people as their primary goal.

Actions speak louder than words, but when it comes down to it honestly. I doubt this administration would use similar tactics to Obama or previous administrations. No way is it corrupted or evil in the sense of previous administration either that has been proven as a fact based on who is against this elected-administration. Deep State, Shadow Government, Obama, Rothschild, George Soros, etc are all up in arms on this administration and it is a battle between life and death for the US. So either Rothschild and George Soros and all their affiliates will be behind bars or put in front of a firing line or we're all screwed.

I hope we can trust Trump with the power of the NSA. But personally, I don't want anyone to have that power. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The NSA's surveillance powers are so extensive as to verge on absolute power.

He already had power before he was President. He owned over 500 businesses he could have formed his own version of the NSA if he chose to, but as much as we are aware he never has. Therefore we could consider him more responsible with that form of power, but it is highly possible he could dismantle both the NSA and the Act along with it.

Only a very few people, I think, actually have the power to performance surveillance at the level that the government does today. You need to have direct access to the core internet infrastructure. The NSA has taps in place that read all network traffic going through some of the central internet telecommunications hubs. They got that access through dealing with ISPs like Verizon and AT&T (which both maintain a lot of core internet infrastructure, aside from their cellular stuff). A company in the telecommunications business might be able to do something similar. But not real estate.

 

[Deleted member 5665]

Given the size of the modern surveillance state, it is almost 100% inevitable that someone is going to use the NSA to spy on someone else for political gain. Democrats, just because the deep state is on your side at the moment, do not assume that it always will be. How would it feel if there were allegations that Trump's administration wiretapped your candidate in 2020 due to alleged ties to <insert country here>. Would you be okay with it if 17 of Trump's intelligence agencies assured you that Bernie was definitely working for the Chinese? The deep state does not have the interests of the american people as their primary goal.

Actions speak louder than words, but when it comes down to it honestly. I doubt this administration would use similar tactics to Obama or previous administrations. No way is it corrupted or evil in the sense of previous administration either that has been proven as a fact based on who is against this elected-administration. Deep State, Shadow Government, Obama, Rothschild, George Soros, etc are all up in arms on this administration and it is a battle between life and death for the US. So either Rothschild and George Soros and all their affiliates will be behind bars or put in front of a firing line or we're all screwed.

I hope we can trust Trump with the power of the NSA. But personally, I don't want anyone to have that power. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The NSA's surveillance powers are so extensive as to verge on absolute power.

He already had power before he was President. He owned over 500 businesses he could have formed his own version of the NSA if he chose to, but as much as we are aware he never has. Therefore we could consider him more responsible with that form of power, but it is highly possible he could dismantle both the NSA and the Act along with it.

Only a very few people, I think, actually have the power to performance surveillance at the level that the government does today. You need to have direct access to the core internet infrastructure. The NSA has taps in place that read all network traffic going through some of the central internet telecommunications hubs. They got that access through dealing with ISPs like Verizon and AT&T (which both maintain a lot of core internet infrastructure, aside from their cellular stuff). A company in the telecommunications business might be able to do something similar. But not real estate.

True, but as I said he owned over 500 businesses we don't know what kind of businesses by list of course exactly. Just pointing out he does have the money and power prior to being President to achieve such things if he wanted to, truly.