Round 1,

Lorcan

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This is the first round of the new debating tournament, if you are unsure on what the tournament is, here is the opening topic. viewtopic.php?f=60&t=81013

The first motion is: That we would ban children from attending any church or receiving any religious education of any sort.

Please make sure in your first post to say if you are for or against. Enjoy :great:
 
I don't understand what "this house" is but I am going off the rest of the motion.

I am for having that banned. I feel it's wrong for young children to get put into learning about religion. I simply find it more appropriate to learn about if they want to when they're older.

I don't think any type of optional education like that should be pushed on children.

When you're older you will know what it is and you will know what is generally is about, that's enough to decide whether or not you want to learn further.
 
No, it's up to the parents to the decide.

No optional education? If there was something like that you know how stupid I'd be? My parents made sure I was bilingual and could play music since right when I could and I'd consider myself severally crippled if I was never given that opportunity to do things like that that others cannot.

It's a parents job to raise their kids, not the governments. Anything short of beating them is for them to decide in my book.
 
It should not be banned, as this would be preventing religion to continue as they'd be brought up to not believe, it should not be mandatory nor banned.
 
Gimgak said:
No, it's up to the parents to the decide.

No optional education? If there was something like that you know how stupid I'd be? My parents made sure I was bilingual and could play music since right when I could and I'd consider myself severally crippled if I was never given that opportunity to do things like that that others cannot.

It's a parents job to raise their kids, not the governments. Anything short of beating them is for them to decide in my book.

Sorry. I didn't mean no optional education. I meant things like religion. Things like music are a lot different. It's not something that is like "Could be true" or "Could not be true". Learning an instrument or something is a skill.

But if parents decide everything, it won't allow them to grow into who they really want to be, just want their parents think they "should be".
 
Ok thanks for clearing that up.

I still believe religion should be the choice of the parents. For example, the reason the Jewish people are still around and didn't just blend into their surroundings is their religion. If none of their children were religious they'd cease to exist as a culture.
 
Honestly it should be the childs choice. My parents tried bringing me to church when I was younger and I turned out an atheist, the only connecting being this: I grew up trying to understand religion but never being ABLE to understand it. So in my mind they were forcing me to participate in something that I didn't want to be a part of.

I think that if you take your child to church and he/she doesn't like it, don't take them ever again. When they get older and want to know why you didn't take them, just tell them the truth, that they didn't want to go. They can always go later in life if they want to.
 
Yes but it's up to the parents to raise their kids, it's not anybody else's business. The same could be said about kids choosing if they go to school or not. Granted school is usually more important than religion, and even though I'm not very religious certain people can benefit from religion a lot.

Basically I think if parents are allowed to abort a kid before they are born they're allowed to raise the kid they want to too.
 
I believe parents have a duty to raise their children with some religious education, a child raised with no concept of religion in my opinion, grows up ignorant of others beliefs and can become bigoted in their views.

As most people follow a certain denomination, there will always be a biased view forced upon a child at the start, it is the duty of the parent to then educate that child that all religions are equally as important and just as valid. When the child becomes mature enough they will then have enough information to choose which path they would like to take themselves, of course in the real world most children do follow the same religious path as their parents.

My main reasons for educating children in religion is that they will grow up to be more tolerant of people with different beliefs, more excepting of others, realising that there is room enough for everyone to have a place on earth.

I am for having that banned. I feel it's wrong for young children to get put into learning about religion. I simply find it more appropriate to learn about if they want to when they're older.

I'm sorry I have to disagree here, it's bit like teaching sex education, if you wait too long the damage is already done when you start to explore.
 
I think they should be educated ABOUT religion but not be pushed to believe.
 
This should be interesting....
Lorcan said:
That we would ban children from attending any church or receiving any religious education of any sort.
Against.

There is no set data which suggests that religious education will result in a negative effect on the child and society. If we take the view of Professor John Lennox, he advocates that his parents gave him a religious education, attended church etc., BUT, allowed him to rigorously question, investigate and explore religion so he would make an informed decision as to whether this was right for him. Even if you allow children to attend church or have a religious education, there's no reason why that child, once they are grown up, can't cease attending or stop educating.

Religious education is necessary for a child to understand whether they belong or not. If we banned religious education, and indoctrinate a child into an atheistic education, are we not doing the exact same thing? But the use of "education" instead of "indoctrination" is where the issue is. We are not indoctrinating a child, but rather allowing the child to receive an education; I might say learning Shakespeare has a negative impact on modern day language, or that watching the news about terrorism/rape/assault/drunkenness is equally a bad indoctrination of any person etc. You should not ban "education" because knowledge is essential in a modern day society as it removes (or equalises) misunderstandings and allows people to make an informed decision.

I'm not sure why there is a focus on the "church" - why not a mosque or a temple or some New Age arena etc. Anyway, when a child is too young to understand, it is not indecent or inappropriate to allow the child to follow the religion or indoctrination of their parents. It seems perfectly normal, and that it lies in chance of where their parents are from. However, attending a (normal) church doesn't really indoctrinate you into their beliefs. It allows you to discuss, understand and engage in activities which you may want to follow in the future, or want to stop following in the future. Unfortunately, when religion is coined negatively, it is when religion has become an indoctrination and the child has not been able to experience or understand a variety of religions. When there is a close focus on an ideology, the child is susceptible to negativity towards other ideologies which do not conform.

And to be fair, I have not seen a valid example of when "education" had turned on itself, especially in a religious sense. What needs to be considered is if the child has been able to freely explore other ideologies/religions and have been able to understand their religion holistically and in comparison to their knowledge of rights, freedoms and the core nature of human beings. When they are older, if they are able to freely discuss religion, then they become the informed and more educated being, as opposed to someone else who has been isolated by their political system and has only experienced one form of religion. This is when something needs to be done and rather than religion for children be banned, an action towards those who have restricted further education and knowledge needs to be removed from society.
 
Congrats to everyone for their excellent debating, there was some interesting points, I have the honour of announcing our first winner, DavidL, well done, and keep up the excellent debating skills.
 
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