Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting

[Conky]

What are you getting at Conky, I'm sorry.

Yourself and Dennis seem to have an issue with paying taxes to let murderers live. By asking 'why send people to Prison at all?' , I was hoping you'd put some thought into what prison is all about and how it can change people.

The bottom line is that for whatever reason...good people do bad things. The Colorado Cinema shooting suspect, and the Newtown shooting suspect were not criminals with a violent history. They are/were people who wake up in the morning, go to work, come home, play xbox and then sleep. Something psychologically has told them to do what they did.

Contrary to common belief prison is not a free haven where people get fed, watered and a place to sleep with a roof over their head. They have access to counselling and numerous inside programs designed to help them change their lives. I have visited prisons many times (I have a cousin who is normally locked up for many months at a time). Most of the people inside are good people who love their wives + children but have resorted to bad things. Many people who leave change and do not re-offend.

At the end of the day, life is a right and not a privilege given by those in power (this is why we have human rights laws). You cannot simply give somebody the death penalty without first establishing their motive (was it deliberate / was it psychological). Do they show remorse? Can they change with counselling?

Your taxes go towards keeping somebody who has the right to live...alive and give them the opportunity to change and give back when they are released.

As far as re-offenders, or people who set out to kill where there is no psychological motive, then yes these people do no longer have the right to live, just as they have taken away somebody else's right.

 

[Gio]

Sorry, but if you're that sick in the head to go shoot tons of little kids who can not defend yourself, and also kill your mother, you're a sick disgusting person. If I was a judge and He was alive, Execution would ring.

 

[Conky]

if you're that sick in the head to go shoot tons of little kids who can not defend yourself, and also kill your mother, you're a sick disgusting person.

Yes, but that does not always mean they are responsible for their actions. It also does not mean they can't change and show genuine remorse for what they have done.

 

[Deleted member 1609]

Conky, I appreciate the fact that you're preaching rehabilitation and agree with you. However, I wouldn't waste your time attempting to get estadounidenses to agree with you. The U.S. prison system is designed to torture people, and that's how they like it.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

what i mean is would you rather that goverment funding be spent on him keeping him alive while he killed your child.

You should look into how much the death penalty costs taxpayers. The cost os keeping a prisoner locked up for life is MUCH less than the trial, cost of appeals, and cost to execute a prisoner. Normally I would cite a source, but I haven't seen a source that has proved the contrary, so I guess you can look it up.

Conky, I appreciate the fact that you're preaching rehabilitation and agree with you. However, I wouldn't waste your time attempting to get estadounidenses to agree with you. The U.S. prison system is designed to torture people, and that's how they like it.

There are Americans who wish to change the prison system, but they are greatly outnumbered by people above who only seek revenge and not finding some sort of help for people who have issues. I think something like this incident is a clear indication of mental illness. Incidents such as killing out of jealousy (killing a spouse over having a lover or something like that), I would argue would be less inclined to believe that mental illness caused it.

 

[SP33D_D3MON]

Oh well. That's all I can say really. This too shall pass.

 

[Conky]

Oh well. That's all I can say really. This too shall pass.

wow. "oh well...this too shall pass"?

Pass like what? A patch of bad weather? 26 people lost their lives...you can't just brush that under the carpet and hope it will magically go away.

 

[SheepishWolf]

It's sick to think that there's people out there who can point a gun at a 6 year olds head and pull the trigger knowing that they'll never get to experience life past primary school or hug their parents again and not care one bit. And to even imagine how it must be to be one of the kids who saw their playmate get shot in the head, and have to live with that for the rest of their lives from such a young age is horrible.

 

[Van1lla ™]

and not care one bit.

If it was that mentally ill, like all the papers/news shows state maybe he didnt fully understand what he was doing at the time?

 

[moose86]

Such a tragedy, all the victims will be missed by many, RIP to the teachers and little ones xoxoxox

 

[SheepishWolf]

and not care one bit.

If it was that mentally ill, like all the papers/news shows state maybe he didnt fully understand what he was doing at the time?

From the papers and accounts of it I read, people who knew him testified that there were no warning signs of him being violently mentally ill. Being mentally ill doesn't mean you don't have emotions and can't comprehend what you're doing or the consequences. Maybe he was unable to have that sort of feeling though, I don't think anyone other than himself can really tell. There are so many different papers on what he was and wasn't and did and didn't have, I'm not completely sure to be honest.

 

[Venom]

He shot his own mother, even a mentally ill person can't do that can they?. He's a bloody Wacko.

 

[Poopy Head]

That is true, from what I've heard there's no reason at all to do that, it seems like she loved him more than anything.

 

[death180]

Oh well. That's all I can say really. This too shall pass.

wow. "oh well...this too shall pass"?

Pass like what? A patch of bad weather? 26 people lost their lives...you can't just brush that under the carpet and hope it will magically go away.

So we're supposed to dwell on it for the rest of our lives. For the next 20 years, everyday I wake up I should be reminded of it?

Honestly I'm pretty desensitized to shootings these days it's pretty easy for me to forget.

 

[Poopy Head]

Oh well. That's all I can say really. This too shall pass.

wow. "oh well...this too shall pass"?

Pass like what? A patch of bad weather? 26 people lost their lives...you can't just brush that under the carpet and hope it will magically go away.

So we're supposed to dwell on it for the rest of our lives. For the next 20 years, everyday I wake up I should be reminded of it?

Honestly I'm pretty desensitized to shootings these days it's pretty easy for me to forget.

I agree, what happens is what happens and you guys are acting like there's something we have to do about it, it would be great if we could all get what we want but things like death are inevitable.

 

[Venom]

Of course, but murder isn't. :/

 

[Poopy Head]

You don't understand what I mean, these gun laws and crap are how they are responding to this but in my mind it won't help. If people are dying in shootings, taking away guns isn't gonna change anything, maybe there should be better people owning guns but if that's gonna happen then there's always gonna be a way.

 

[Fergal]

...taking away guns isn't gonna change anything....

A person can't shoot someone, if they don't have a gun. The more difficult it is to get a gun, the more difficult it is to shoot someone.

 

[Ztg]

A person can't shoot someone, if they don't have a gun. The more difficult it is to get a gun, the more difficult it is to shoot someone.

True, but guns aren't the only means by which murder can be committed with. Hypothetically speaking, what if the suspect killed those kids by stabbing them each with a knife, will you take away knifes?- It's more of a mental issue than it is a gun control matter, just my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 1609]

A person can't shoot someone, if they don't have a gun. The more difficult it is to get a gun, the more difficult it is to shoot someone.

True, but guns aren't the only means by which murder can be committed with. Hypothetically speaking, what if the suspect killed those kids by stabbing them each with a knife, will you take away knifes?- It's more of a mental issue than it is a gun control matter, just my opinion.

You must concede that it's much more time consuming to stab people than it is to shoot them. There would not have been as many lives lost had the assailant only been armed with a knife.