Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
- Thread starter Cam
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Well, obviously. I'm aware of the limitations of events, had he tried to stab them.
Note that I was hypothetically speaking- What if he did. The point I'm trying to suggest is, that it's not the guns that made him commit the crime, but rather his mental issues(to want to commit murder or such). For example, he could have set the whole school on fire- then what? what is here to take away? gun control wouldn't have even been a matter of discussion. If someone in a similar mental state as the suspect wanted to kill someone, they will kill them or at least try to, right?, not having access to a gun isn't going to be a determinant factor on their want to kill. The resolution to this issue is to improve/make aware of mentally unstable people, thus improve/ better psychiatric help.
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people"(wether it's with guns, knives, or whatever).
Just my personal outlook on it, having dealt with kids of such nature.
Patrick W.
Addicted
When I heard about this it really hit home. I work with kids aged 5-12 for a living and I started thinking, "What would I do if this happened here?" It is hard for me to fathom why someone would target 5 and 6 year olds. After this happened all the schools around me tightened up on their security and won't allow anyone in except through the front office. I work at an outdoor YMCA and we have also tightened up on people getting near the kids if they are not employees or we know them as parents/family.
Taking away guns is a temporary solution to a permanent problem. If we take away guns, Snobo and Fergal are right, it would be harder to do the same amount of damage. But if we don't improve the mental health care of this country the problem will always be there, guns or no guns.
Overall we shouldn't be discussing guns as much, rather discuss mental health care, or at least give each equal attention.
Overall we shouldn't be discussing guns as much, rather discuss mental health care, or at least give each equal attention.
Poopy Head
Seasoned Veteran
I couldn't explain it better. Either way, murder is inevitable. The gun owners are and at the same time aren't the problem, it's just mental health issues. It's just better to keep an eye at who gets a hold of them rather than taking them away.death180 said:
The mother sounds like an irresponsible gun owner. Knowing full well that her son had a mental health problem, she should have done more to make sure he couldn't get to them.
You can't blame all gun owners, or guns themselves. There is more at fault here. I just think people balk at the thought of accusing the mother because she was a victim.
You can't blame all gun owners, or guns themselves. There is more at fault here. I just think people balk at the thought of accusing the mother because she was a victim.
Poopy Head
Seasoned Veteran
Well, she herself was a big gun fan. She knew her children, and they were big gun fans as well. She couldn't help it at all, shooting guns is their thing and she definitely didn't know what would happen out of it, considering the fact that she was a victim of the shooting.death180 said:
magicmuggle01
Familiar Face
I was appalled when I heard about this on the news. The hearts and prayers of the world are with the families of the victims of this tragedy.
I just have to chime in here, just because someone has mental health issues doesn't mean they are going to hurt someone or themselves. You could spend every day sitting next to someone with mental health issues and not even notice. Even though this is tragic, I don't think it is fair to blame the motherdeath180 said:
Poopy Head
Seasoned Veteran
Exactly, it's impossible to determine if something if something that devastating would happen.Tindris said:
He was seeing someone already and they thought he might try to hurt himself. I can't remember where I read it, but I'm looking for the source.
All though, half these "sources" aren't accurate, so take it with a grain of salt I suppose.
All though, half these "sources" aren't accurate, so take it with a grain of salt I suppose.
I guess I assumed the mother cared enough to not let him hurt himself.
Whether he is going to hurt himself or someone else it doesn't matter, people like that need help and this country can't give it to them which is the problem.
Whether he is going to hurt himself or someone else it doesn't matter, people like that need help and this country can't give it to them which is the problem.
magicmuggle01
Familiar Face
Chris Grigg said:
Try saying that to the families that lost their loved ones. It's like saying that the Holocaust never happened.<br /><br />-- 16 Jan 2013, 14:16 --<br /><br />
asdasdas said:
I agree that serious control of guns is needed, there is no excuse to go attacking and killing a bunch of innocents like this. And the people who tried to protect them.
Have you seen the footages of the news casts lieing to the public?
Have you seen the facebook groups that were created on the 11TH of December asking for donations 3 DAYS before the shooting actually happen?
https://newtown.uwwesternct.org/
Google INDEXED that site on December 11th! Hows that when the shooting happened on the 14th!?
Why was Emilie's dad too busy making a facebook group for donations AND stated that he had a loss of his beautiful daughter when the school was still supposedly on "lockdown"? But then later on in the facebook group, he said he didn't know if his daughter was in school or hospital. Who's parents are busy on facebook when they don't even know their daughter is alive or not?
Also, footage was rolling of her dad laughing and asking "Are we ready to start?" and then he sits there a moment to make himself look sad before his speech.
Also, how do you explain the FEMA and Homeland Security doing the same exact drills are the same exact time and place as the school shooting occurred?
Have you seen the facebook groups that were created on the 11TH of December asking for donations 3 DAYS before the shooting actually happen?
https://newtown.uwwesternct.org/
Google INDEXED that site on December 11th! Hows that when the shooting happened on the 14th!?
Why was Emilie's dad too busy making a facebook group for donations AND stated that he had a loss of his beautiful daughter when the school was still supposedly on "lockdown"? But then later on in the facebook group, he said he didn't know if his daughter was in school or hospital. Who's parents are busy on facebook when they don't even know their daughter is alive or not?
Also, footage was rolling of her dad laughing and asking "Are we ready to start?" and then he sits there a moment to make himself look sad before his speech.
Also, how do you explain the FEMA and Homeland Security doing the same exact drills are the same exact time and place as the school shooting occurred?
magicmuggle01
Familiar Face
I'm not American, but to answer your question about FEMA, I assume in America they train for situations such as what happened to those poor children and their teachers. So it does not surprise me that there was a training situation in progress at the time. Or would you rather there was no training in place to tackle such situations??????????????????? And I just checked the link you posted, and its security certificate is showing as untrustworthy. So I will not be risking the integrity of my computer by entering it.
Chris Grigg said:Have you seen the footages of the news casts lieing to the public?
Have you seen the facebook groups that were created on the 11TH of December asking for donations 3 DAYS before the shooting actually happen?
https://newtown.uwwesternct.org/
Google INDEXED that site on December 11th! Hows that when the shooting happened on the 14th!?
Why was Emilie's dad too busy making a facebook group for donations AND stated that he had a loss of his beautiful daughter when the school was still supposedly on "lockdown"? But then later on in the facebook group, he said he didn't know if his daughter was in school or hospital. Who's parents are busy on facebook when they don't even know their daughter is alive or not?
Also, footage was rolling of her dad laughing and asking "Are we ready to start?" and then he sits there a moment to make himself look sad before his speech.
Also, how do you explain the FEMA and Homeland Security doing the same exact drills are the same exact time and place as the school shooting occurred?
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