School Detentions

[David]

Ah yes, the school detention. Writing lines, sitting in a room, cleaning the detention room, you name it. But no, in Australian law, there is no such thing as detention. Its a policy that the department of education enforces, but isn't approved by law. So, the question is, do you have to go to detention? The school cannot do anything to you since they will be breaking the law, yet no one actually sees this. Students just follow on, not actually knowing their rights.

What are your thoughts on detentions, or school made punishments, like picking up rubbish? Its not enforced by law, it is somewhat illegal, and its made by schools as punishment. Would you ever go to detention now? (mainly aimed at students, which the majority of the FP population is and even more, Australian students)

 

[fantanoice]

Oh please, detentions are nothing like the whips and such they used to use as punishment only a generation ago. Suck it up, because if you have a detention, you've probably deserved it.

 

[Mr. Wolf]

I used to get in detention because some people lied and the teachers believed them. I just left and went to another school.

 

[David]

Oh please, detentions are nothing like the whips and such they used to use as punishment only a generation ago. Suck it up, because if you have a detention, you've probably deserved it.

True, but thats an era thing. You can't compare in context of their era and the 21st century. But detentions may result in further stuff like writing lines, picking up rubbish, cleaning toilets, you name it. Its all against the law, yet schools continue to do it. Where's the justice?

 

[Uphoreka]

I've been in lots of detentions in my life. And honestly it doesn't effect me. But it can effect others.

 

[fantanoice]

The justice is, you do something wrong, you'll be punished. Somehow I don't even see detention being effective at all, seeing as it's always the same students there.

So you have to write a few lines. Big deal! Go suck it up.

And where in the law does it state that detentions are illegal? AFAIK, the law was, you couldn't keep students back past 4pm.

 

[Tsuna]

I got detention once because I did something wrong and I got 300 lines to write. 🙁

 

[David]

And where in the law does it state that detentions are illegal?

But, where in law does it say that schools are allowed to give detentions? 😉 Its just a department of education enforced rule, but isn't approved by law.

Doing something wrong in school (like being late to class) isn't comparable to killing someone on the streets. You are only doing yourself harm by not being there.

AFAIK, the law was, you couldn't keep students back past 4pm.

Its actually 20 minutes after the end of school without needed notification to parents 🙂

Yeah, detentions aren't really effective. They don't do much, regardless. However, it isn't something which is allowed by schools (Australian at least).

BTW, this isn't me we are talking about. Just a general debate. 😉

 

[Gimgak]

lol detentions where I am are nothing like that. Basically you just sit in a room for 30-45 minutes and they let you go.

Doing something wrong in school (like being late to class) isn't comparable to killing someone on the streets. You are only doing yourself harm by not being there.

So apparently everything less than murder shouldn't be punishable...

 

[fantanoice]

Doing something wrong in school (like being late to class) isn't comparable to killing someone on the streets. You are only doing yourself harm by not being there.

Hence why staying back 20mins-1hour doing lines is the punishment, not 25years-life in gaol. :roll:

 

[David]

But the thing is that you can't compare them both, so punishments can't be given out accordingly. Nevertheless, the fact is that it is not law and shouldn't be tolerated.

@Gimgak, basically the same thing. No, I never said "everything less than murder shouldn't be punishable". I said they can't be compared.

 

[fantanoice]

So bullying, vandalism and other things that happen in the schoolyard should be tolerated?

 

[Gimgak]

But the thing is that you can't compare them both, so punishments can't be given out accordingly. Nevertheless, the fact is that it is not law and shouldn't be tolerated.

Ok. Well in that case the school can just suspend you for every little thing like my school does if you don't want detention.

 

[David]

So bullying, vandalism and other things that happen in the schoolyard should be tolerated?

That's sort of getting away from detentions. They are things punishable by fines, and depending on the situation, suspension, which is according to law.

@Gimgak, actually, yes. Its just schools cbf to go through the process plus it makes them look bad.

 

[fantanoice]

Do something bad; take the day off school.
Great punishment there. :roll:

 

[David]

So tell me, is a punishment which is illegal acceptable in any case? ie. stealing a loaf of bread should be punishable by death? (again, in Australia, not USA etc.)

edit: spelling

 

[Gimgak]

Do something bad; take the day off school.
Great punishment there. :roll:

My friend got suspended once for skipping school :lol:

 

[fantanoice]

So tell me, is a punishment which is illegal acceptable in any case? ie. stealing a loaf of bread should be punishable by death? (again, in Australia, not USA etc.)

Just like parents aren't even allowed to 'put their kids in a corner' / 'send kids to their room' / 'naughty stool' because there is no pre-written law to say they can? 😛 There is no law against detention, so the schools are able to enforce it. You can debate about it being illegal because nothing says they can, but the case is, they can do it because nowhere says they can't.

-Unless of course, you want to link me to some evidence of a law stating "detention is illegal".

And finally, you really can't compare a school detention to the death penalty, though. 😵 The death penalty is only given out in extreme cases (not in Australia, mind you), like murder. It wouldn't even be used in western society for stealing a loaf of bread. We aren't living through the Arabian Nights here (but considering back then, they probably didn't have "you can't kill unless they have killed/attempted to kill" pre-written somewhere). 😛

 

[David]

Parents are legally responsible for the actions in which their child is doing, until the age of 18, so such things are permitted in order to keep their child under control, pertaining it doesn't involve corporal punishment etc.

There is no law saying you can put a student on detention, though, and therefore if there isn't, forcing someone to do something, or go somewhere is illegal. Once forcing becomes physical, or putting fear in a students mind (classified as assault), that is illegal.

When I get the chance, I will discuss this with my law teacher and link you with evidence. The community interprets laws, and the clear interpretation is that detentions are not permitted by law, but it is something the department enforces to gain control.

 

[Callum93]

I don't think detentions are an in particularly effective punishment... at our school I think there's meant to be a ''reflective sheet'' for some detentions where students can reflect on what they've done as the name suggests. I think it's a good idea but my school probably forget to do them all the time 😛

Also at my school you can be punished by picking up litter in detention, or sitting down doing nothing though writing lines is rarely used anymore... perfectly reasonable punishments to be fair.

Banning detentions would just be stupid though. The amount of punishments that can be dished out is so limited anyway