Should businesses be allowed to deny service to gay couples?

[Uncrowned Guard]

If it is a government organization or government funded... then no, they should not be allowed to deny anyone based on any trait as that would be illegal anyway.

However, a private business, on private property, privately funded.... well, it is wrong and definitely a form of racism, but racism itself is not illegal and while it is a poor business choice, it isn't illegal so... The main problem on allowing government to come in and tell you who you can and can not serve is that there are numerous reasons too legitimately refuse service. Lets say a homosexual male walks into your business with blood shot eyes and has a strong odor of alcohol and wants to rent a $500,000 piece of heavy equipment. You say no and two weeks later this gentleman has the government knocking on you door for discrimination, now YOU must prove that you were in the right to turn him away.

Moral of the story, is it wrong... yes, should we be overcoming it as a society... yes, should government be given more power and force the change... no.

 

[Pebbles]

ugh, why does this world have to be such a difficult place to live in
what's going on planet earth
why can't we just all get along and let each other be

why is there still so many out there that are against gay people
why is this world not a free world
why do we judge somebody else's happiness without having any good reason whatsoever

 

[Deleted member 5665]

If it is a government organization or government funded... then no, they should not be allowed to deny anyone based on any trait as that would be illegal anyway.

However, a private business, on private property, privately funded.... well, it is wrong and definitely a form of racism, but racism itself is not illegal and while it is a poor business choice, it isn't illegal so... The main problem on allowing government to come in and tell you who you can and can not serve is that there are numerous reasons too legitimately refuse service. Lets say a homosexual male walks into your business with blood shot eyes and has a strong odor of alcohol and wants to rent a $500,000 piece of heavy equipment. You say no and two weeks later this gentleman has the government knocking on you door for discrimination, now YOU must prove that you were in the right to turn him away.

Moral of the story, is it wrong... yes, should we be overcoming it as a society... yes, should government be given more power and force the change... no.

When you mix racism and homosexuality together you lose all credibility in the discussion and show your level of intelligence. Homosexuality has nothing to do with race. It's a choice of preferences.

ugh, why does this world have to be such a difficult place to live in
what's going on planet earth
why can't we just all get along and let each other be

why is there still so many out there that are against gay people
why is this world not a free world
why do we judge somebody else's happiness without having any good reason whatsoever

Humans lacks the foundation of what it means to be human: Respect one another.

Once upon a time people used to teach others to respect others and respect others viewpoints, but that isn't taught anymore. Instead of my x opinion comes over yours. This kind of debate is redundant for the simply fact of common sense you can't force anyone to agree with your point of view.

Everyone as long as humans exist will have different points of views. You must learn to live and let live and chose what is moral and correct. You of course have radicals such as radical Islam that throws gays off buildings as an example, but people consider denying service to a homosexual from a business is more radical than killing gays.

Comes down to what is worse realistically? Would you rather live to disagree or die because someone believes their view point is the greater? Tyranny never wins in a fight when it comes down to critical and logical thinking. We can't force people to have a single point of view, but if we can learn to live in and let live and allow open discussion, debating to discuss view points and create middle-man decisions that is how we truly progress. Centralism is the future to success not right-wing or left-wing.

 

[guyy_]

HELL NO! we shouldn't be treated any different than other people, we aren't any different than anyone esle!

 

[TDK]

No one should ever be denied service because of sexual preference (just as they shouldn't due to race, etc).

 

[Joshua Farrell]

The way I look at it, so long as you are serving stuff to the general public, you shouldn't ban certain types of people, rather, ban people based on general hygienic and other types of policies that you would like to enforce regardless of the customer (like no service allowed to people if they are not fully clothed, or if you have families normally visit, polices regarding maintaining an atmosphere that wouldn't cause issues with other customers). But if you are serving to a specific crowd of people, then yes, being picky on who you are selling to is allowed (like if you run a bar or business that is focused on a specific group of people).

 

[tom93]

I understand that this is about business, not for emotion, and your cake shop 's in where culture having homosexual discrimination, and you can't change it, cause it won't and besides your business'll be hurt. Then just make service general, not specific, so it can serve everyone, and you won't ignore any potential customers

 

[MrDawn]

Should businesses be allowed to do this, or should they not open their doors to the public if they plan on picking and choosing their customers?

Well, I don't think businesses should do that. Money is money no matter who it comes from. So in other words, business is business and shouldn't be about people's personal beliefs. Money can't tell a difference.

 

[Cosmic]

I am a libertarian, so value individual liberty. I value both the liberty of the consumer and of the business. These can be difficult to balance. So, I have eventually settled on this view.

An individual, sole proprietor or partner of a small business is in direct control of their business, and usually does much of the work with their own hands. Such a person can choose whether or not to do any work that they wish. But an owner of a larger business is separated from the actual work, and should have no direct right to impose such rules on his employees and customers.

So, I would propose that Sole Propriatorships and Partnershups (the legal entities) be regulated differently than LLCs and Corporations in this regard. This is in keeping with general corporate law, as LLCs and Corporations shield liability, meaning that the people who run the company are not liable for its debts. If you do not take personal liability of your compaby’s debts, you cannot exercise your personal, irrelevant beliefs on the business either. For sole proprietorships, the regulations here are different, which is why such entities are only used by very small businesses. If you want to take the risk of owning a sole prioprietorship with less insulation, then go ahead. If you want to become your business, do it. Take responsibility for your business’ debts, which will likely start acruing once people stop doing business with your hateful self. 😛

 

[fantanoice]

They have the right to refuse service from anyone. Whether that's good for business is another story.

 

[Cosmic]

They have the right to refuse service from anyone. Whether that's good for business is another story.

Why?

 

[Jason76]

Forced service is something I wouldn't want - but possibly we are all served by people - who under their breath - hate us 😉.

 

[Azareal]

There's one thing to mention though. How do you prove that they shoved you out because of that? Any savvy business owner would give a vague excuse, if forced to and even if you have a good idea of why, it's not necessarily like you can prove it.

 

[TaylorCTU GM]

In America you should be able to run your business how ever you'd like. Sell to who you want. In the cake situation I agree with the Business.

 

[Jason76]

In America you should be able to run your business how ever you'd like. Sell to who you want. In the cake situation I agree with the Business.

This situation runs into problems cause of hurt feelings. For instance, what if someone is accused of shoplifting or sexual harassment - banned, but didn't really do it? That would be humiliating - especially if it was a big store like Wal-Mart.

 

[TaylorCTU GM]

In America you should be able to run your business how ever you'd like. Sell to who you want. In the cake situation I agree with the Business.

This situation runs into problems cause of hurt feelings. For instance, what if someone is accused of shoplifting or sexual harassment - banned, but didn't really do it? That would be humiliating - especially if it was a big store like Wal-Mart.

That's part of the problem with the world today. Honestly I could care less about catering to everyone's feelings. Bunch of sensitive snowflakes running around.

Also you went completely off-topic with me talking about a business working on projects they morally disagree with to being falsely accused of a crime.

 

[Jason76]

In America you should be able to run your business how ever you'd like. Sell to who you want. In the cake situation I agree with the Business.

This situation runs into problems cause of hurt feelings. For instance, what if someone is accused of shoplifting or sexual harassment - banned, but didn't really do it? That would be humiliating - especially if it was a big store like Wal-Mart.

That's part of the problem with the world today. Honestly I could care less about catering to everyone's feelings. Bunch of sensitive snowflakes running around.

Also you went completely off-topic with me talking about a business working on projects they morally disagree with to being falsely accused of a crime.

If you were in that person's shoes, you might not say that.

 

[TaylorCTU GM]

In America you should be able to run your business how ever you'd like. Sell to who you want. In the cake situation I agree with the Business.

This situation runs into problems cause of hurt feelings. For instance, what if someone is accused of shoplifting or sexual harassment - banned, but didn't really do it? That would be humiliating - especially if it was a big store like Wal-Mart.

That's part of the problem with the world today. Honestly I could care less about catering to everyone's feelings. Bunch of sensitive snowflakes running around.

Also you went completely off-topic with me talking about a business working on projects they morally disagree with to being falsely accused of a crime.

If you were in that person's shoes, you might not say that.

If I went to a bakery asking for a wedding cake as a straight guy, the owners were homosexual and refused to make me a cake, I would simply go to a different bakery.

 

[Jason76]

In America you should be able to run your business how ever you'd like. Sell to who you want. In the cake situation I agree with the Business.

This situation runs into problems cause of hurt feelings. For instance, what if someone is accused of shoplifting or sexual harassment - banned, but didn't really do it? That would be humiliating - especially if it was a big store like Wal-Mart.

That's part of the problem with the world today. Honestly I could care less about catering to everyone's feelings. Bunch of sensitive snowflakes running around.

Also you went completely off-topic with me talking about a business working on projects they morally disagree with to being falsely accused of a crime.

If you were in that person's shoes, you might not say that.

If I went to a bakery asking for a wedding cake as a straight guy, the owners were homosexual and refused to make me a cake, I would simply go to a different bakery.

Depends on the situation. Things can be oversensitive. For instance, if the Chick-Fil-a owner says he disagrees with homosexuality - well, that's his opinion.