Should life mean life

[Fiona1964]

When some is sentience to life in jail should it mean life.
I know in the UK life means 25 years and then your free
In the USA it means life and the only way out is in a wooden box
What do other members think

 

[MissTake]

Life in the UK means 25 years but you are out in 12 and a half, I know because a friends brother got life and he did 12 years for delivering the fatal blow in a drunken fight, he's in his mid 30's now and has his whole life still ahead of him. Unfortunately the other bloke doesn't?

What ever sentence you get in the UK you only ever serve half unless you misbehave while inside too?

I think you should at least serve what they give you or give you the real time to serve in the first place?
our system is totally cocked up!

Yes, a life sentence should me life for me.

 

[SilverWolf]

You are a bit mislead to the meaning of life here in the USA. Even if you get a life sentence here, unless the judge states "without the possibility of parole" you -can- still get out. It might take a long time to GET that parole, but it is possible.

But yeah, I agree that whatever you are sentenced you should serve. I mean, what good does it do to sentence someone to say...25 years in prison for murder, but let them out in 10 on good behavior? It's a mockery of justice, it really is.

I am for reducing sentences in some circumstances, but very few. And I think life should mean just that--life. If someone commits a friggin crime that is so horrible, it warrants a damn life sentence, they should NOT be able to get paroled!

 

[Fiona1964]

I agree MissTake I know some one who got three years and will be home in a year and half which I think is wrong
only 2 people I know of in this country got life and did life and you know who I mean MissTake ( the moors murders)

 

[Deleted member 1609]

All I'll say is that our justice system should focus on rehabilitation rather than punishment. It's easy to lock someone in a dark room for the rest of eternity, but we could fix their problems and turn them into productive members of society instead.

 

[Nebulous]

All I'll say is that our justice system should focus on rehabilitation rather than punishment. It's easy to lock someone in a dark room for the rest of eternity, but we could fix their problems and turn them into productive members of society instead.

You cant just "fix" a psychotic mass murderer and put them back out on the streets. 😛

 

[Deleted member 1609]

All I'll say is that our justice system should focus on rehabilitation rather than punishment. It's easy to lock someone in a dark room for the rest of eternity, but we could fix their problems and turn them into productive members of society instead.

You cant just "fix" a psychotic mass murderer and put them back out on the streets. 😛

Some cases are more difficult than others, but I think that all criminals can be rehabilitated. It's just a matter of how hard we're willing to try to do it. We need to put aside our need for vengeance on these people and work on actually trying to improve their lives and situations. The vast majority of criminals can be rehabilitated extremely easily. I just don't understand why most people wonder why criminals stay criminals when our "justice" system is so broken.

 

[Zenrer]

Fully agree with what Snobo said, a person shouldn't be sentenced a set period, they should be put into rehab until they can prove they can be a positive member of society.

 

[Nebulous]

Depending on the criminal and crimes, some people don't deserve the option to be rehabilitated. They deserve to rot or be put to death.

 

[Zenrer]

Depending on the criminal and crimes, some people don't deserve the option to be rehabilitated. They deserve to rot or be put to death.

I assume this is based on "what you give is what you get." If that was truly the case, politicians and those that enforce the law should also be killed.

 

[MissTake]

I don't feel that all criminals want to be rehabilitated though?

Even the ones that say they've had enough of criminal life can't stay in mainstream society for long, I watch these types of shows all the time, the criminals spend hours doing rehabilitation courses, at the end of the show the captions usually say that within a month they are back, statistically very few really want to change?

 

[Zenrer]

I don't feel that all criminals want to be rehabilitated though?

Even the ones that say they've had enough of criminal life can't stay in mainstream society for long, I watch these types of shows all the time, the criminals spend hours doing rehabilitation courses, at the end of the show the captions usually say that within a month they are back, statistically very few really want to change?

Then we should keep trying! You can't win the raffle without buying a ticket.

 

[Gimgak]

I assume this is based on "what you give is what you get." If that was truly the case, politicians and those that enforce the law should also be killed.

They're the ones with the license to kill so that will never happen. Still capital punishment is nothing short of murder when those who go on death row are often sick people. What's the difference between that and killing all mentally retarded people? We should be trying to help them.

 

[Deleted member 4320]

Life in the UK means 25 years but you are out in 12 and a half, I know because a friends brother got life and he did 12 years for delivering the fatal blow in a drunken fight, he's in his mid 30's now and has his whole life still ahead of him. Unfortunately the other bloke doesn't?

What ever sentence you get in the UK you only ever serve half unless you misbehave while inside too?

I think you should at least serve what they give you or give you the real time to serve in the first place?
our system is totally cocked up!

Yes, a life sentence should me life for me.

I agree with this, life should mean life and the sentences shouldn't be half of what you're given. If you are going to be 'good' and only serve 5 years, then they should just say so. Even if we don't want to have an actually 'life' sentence it should be at least 50 years. Minimum.

 

[InfiniteJest]

Generally speaking, if you did a crime worthy of a life sentence, you deserve to rot in there.

 

[NBK*Twitch]

lol @ all the we should try and help them comments..

I believe the movie strangeland proves how well that works lol - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124102/(Yes I know the movie is not real).

My point being not all murders have a mental disorder. Some people do their crimes with full knowledge of what they are doing.

 

[Deleted member 1609]

My point being not all murders have a mental disorder. Some people do their crimes with full knowledge of what they are doing.

Maybe a very small percentage of them actually do have full knowledge of what they're doing, but you can't say that they're all like that. That's like saying that all conservatives hate black people because Strom Thurmond did (wait, bad example). Most murderers are mentally unwell in some way. Also, people aren't born "evil." People become evil because things have happened to them in their lives that made them evil.

In the USA, we emphasize punishment over rehabilitation in our criminal "justice" system. In other countries where people don't laugh when you mention the word "rehabilitation," there is less crime. There are reasons why that is true.

This is the type of discussion that separates real liberals (Gimgak and I so far are the real liberals in this discussion) from fake liberals.

 

[The Reverend]

The UK government needs serious improvements, i want the Offender to be made to feel the same pain as he/she caused the victim and their family. Failing that, the police need to be less beureaucratic and be out on the streets being POLICE like they should be.<br /><br />-- June 8th, 2011, 10:43 pm --<br /><br />

My point being not all murders have a mental disorder. Some people do their crimes with full knowledge of what they are doing.

Maybe a very small percentage of them actually do have full knowledge of what they're doing, but you can't say that they're all like that. That's like saying that all conservatives hate black people because Strom Thurmond did (wait, bad example). Most murderers are mentally unwell in some way. Also, people aren't born "evil." People become evil because things have happened to them in their lives that made them evil.

In the USA, we emphasize punishment over rehabilitation in our criminal "justice" system. In other countries where people don't laugh when you mention the word "rehabilitation," there is less crime. There are reasons why that is true.

This is the type of discussion that separates real liberals (Gimgak and I so far are the real liberals in this discussion) from fake liberals.

I am a punk, i am technically a liberal in my views, but when it comes to crime, punishment over rehabillitation all the way. Criminals are not scared of the police in the uk,give me a shotgun and a few acres of land and id probably do a better job than the police here. That said, its not the uniformed police's fault, its mr. Cameron and his team of upper class friends AKA the government's fault. Oh, btw, out of curiosity snobo, how would you describe a fake liberal? in my opinion, if your a liberal your a liberal. 🙂

 

[Deleted member 1609]

Rather than describing a fake liberal, I can just tell you to look at Barack Obama or most of the politicians in the Labour Party in the UK.

 

[The Reverend]

Rather than describing a fake liberal, I can just tell you to look at Barack Obama or most of the politicians in the Labour Party in the UK.

I love you for saying that 🙂 lol great reply. I hate labour