Should there be indoctrination in public schools?
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I was going to start this type of thread today and saw you already did it!!
NO. Teachers should teach their topics, whether it's math, English, etc... If I know my child's math teacher's political stance, then that teacher is trying to influence his/her students instead of teaching them math.
I used to be a substitute teacher and I have a lot of teachers from the school system as friends on Facebook. I see what they're telling other teachers to say in class time because they think it's important. But that's beyond what their subject is for teaching the class and is wrong. It's happening a lot more than parents are aware of and I'm glad parents started listening in when their children were forced to learn from home. Teachers are being caught and the problem....teachers don't think they're in the wrong on this!
NO. Teachers should teach their topics, whether it's math, English, etc... If I know my child's math teacher's political stance, then that teacher is trying to influence his/her students instead of teaching them math.
I used to be a substitute teacher and I have a lot of teachers from the school system as friends on Facebook. I see what they're telling other teachers to say in class time because they think it's important. But that's beyond what their subject is for teaching the class and is wrong. It's happening a lot more than parents are aware of and I'm glad parents started listening in when their children were forced to learn from home. Teachers are being caught and the problem....teachers don't think they're in the wrong on this!
No. Religion shouldn't ever be promoted or proselytized in the public school systems. It's unconstitutional and it's not appropriate. I'm an Atheist/ Antitheist who is against all of religion. If religion were allowed, it would cause nothing but problems. The Establishment Clause itself resolves these issues by eliminating both Monotheism and Polytheism. A major problem is that when you get a teacher who is devout and they're of that category of Theists who believe that their religion is the one true religion and that is where the problem starts when they start preaching in the class rooms. The biggest problem is that these teachers who are spreading their religion don't believe they're doing anything wrong. Those people have no place or business teaching in public schools at all.
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My view is biased. I was sent to a Catholic primary school (4 to 11 years) which proved to be a cesspit of hate and violence e.g. one misbehaving child often resulted in the whole school being beaten with a stick or ruler. I also witnessed far worse behavior by the teachers who were mainly nuns which I couldn't divulge in a family friendly forum.
Needless to say I'm an atheist and I've actively campaigned to keep religion out of state provided education.
Needless to say I'm an atheist and I've actively campaigned to keep religion out of state provided education.
I'm the same way. Religion needs to stay out of schools and away from other people's kids. The thing some Christians are not understanding is that if the government has to allow their religion, they have to allow ALL of religion. They don't understand that Freedom of Religion doesn't mean it's exclusive to Christianity, it also means "Freedom From Religion".
Imagine this scenario, a Christian family moves to some back water town in Florida and the kids goes into the school and sees a statue of Brahma. All the kids are being indoctrinated into Hinduism, because most of the teachers there are from India at the school. The teachers will occasionally lock the children in the auditorium to pray to Polytheistic deities such as Brahma, Vishnu, and Kali. They even force the children to drink cow urine in Brahma's name before praying and reading scripture out of the Bagavad Gita.
The children come home upset and complain to their Christian parents. The parents become infuriated and make irate phone calls to the school the next day. They tell the teachers not to be teaching their children about "false" gods and that it's a sin in Christianity. But the teachers at the school ignore the parents complaints and keep on.
Now, I'd like Christians to imagine how we Atheists feel when a Christian, who has been asked to stop, continues forcing their Monotheistic superstitions onto our children who are also Atheist and want nothing to do with their religion. Because Atheists see all gods as fictional and non existent just like how Christians reject the existence of Polytheistic and other Monotheistic deities that are outside of their religion. It's very upsetting and aggravating. If a Christian doesn't like a Polytheist forcing that religion onto their children, then don't teach at the school and indoctrinate those Monotheist superstitions on to someone else's child who either has no religion or is of a religion they don't agree with. That's cruel, it's mentally and emotionally abusive, and it's unconstitutional.
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A lot of people want a Christian theocracy for the US. They blame society's ills on the fact the Christian God has been taken out of schools, including the public ones.
And just as many people do not want a Theocracy. This just another case of Christians making more claims and wanting to proselytize their religious propaganda. It's nothing new. A lot of people like spreading their religion and forcing it on others. The Burden of Proof hasn't been met for their claims. It would cause more problems than it would solve and it is unconstitutional.
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Indoctrination of religion shouldn't be there but of course, I know that college indoctrination is essential to be a teacher in this day and age leading to more issues between teachers and parents if the students are to be transparent about it. For that purpose any indoctrination is bad but without it, there is nothing of value either. At a young age, the kids make conflicts with their parents and the parents blame indoctrination of schools instead of their own even if the kid doesn't catch on and doesn't believe it later and there needs to be any form of education in order to be a structured and valued member of society. I was taught in middle school/high school a very short course on many religions. It wasn't a participation grade but more so an introductory course with simple straightforward answers. If the parents can teach their kids at home as well then why not. Nothing is stopping them but their own politics.
I partially agree. I don't think any child should be indoctrinated into any religion until they're an adult and can decide for themselves on what they want to believe in. I didn't get to choose for myself when I was a child. Which is why I'm very against child Indoctrination. I had a strict Baptist upbringing and it caused me to have severe depression issues. My mother shoved her religion down my throat. I became extremely angry with her and my father because they never provided me with any evidence or demonstrated with objective evidence for the existence for the deity they claimed exists. I feel like I was lied to because they gave me NO EVIDENCE, which is why The Burden of Proof is so important to me. If a Christian of whatever denomination wants to re-convert me, than they have a Burden of Proof they have to meet. If you can't prove with objective evidence that would pass in a court of law that your god exists, I dismiss your claim.
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I know someone similar. A pastor he had growing up had molested a child and he is very cynical about religion.
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Did the pastor ever get caught?
Likely not. It's well known that people in high places get away with things like that.
Not that I know of. I've never really asked him.Did the pastor ever get caught?
Depends on what you mean by indoctrination. Mathematics is a field where we do indoctrinate our students, and one usually does not start to question the mathematical rules until one starts with more advanced mathematics. So, indoctrination isn't inherently bad.
A lot of people discussion religion here, and there I agree. No indoctrination. I still want religious studies in school, I believe knowledge of different religions can help our students be more understanding and smart in meeting people of other religions, as well as giving them a better platform in order to understand the world, different cultures, different conflicts, different traditions etc. through a new lens. But no school should push a specific religion, or have a religious position that is promoted.
A lot of people discussion religion here, and there I agree. No indoctrination. I still want religious studies in school, I believe knowledge of different religions can help our students be more understanding and smart in meeting people of other religions, as well as giving them a better platform in order to understand the world, different cultures, different conflicts, different traditions etc. through a new lens. But no school should push a specific religion, or have a religious position that is promoted.
Exactly. I think public schools need to heavily promote critical thinking and logical reasoning. Not let teachers get away with promoting their religion.
Is teachers promoting their own religion really allowed in any developed in any country? It surely isn't here!
While it's not allowed because "Separation of Church and State", it's done anyway. A perfect example is that there is a school over in West Virginia that is currently undergoing a major lawsuit over it. They forced a bunch of kids into the auditorium and wouldn't let them leave, forcing them to sit through a sermon.
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