Spammer vs. Ban Button

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A little quiz:

1. When judging members, do you consider what they have done on other forums? Why/Why not?
2. A spammer on another forum signs up on yours. Would you ban them even though they haven't done anything on your forum?
3. A spammer on another forum is a dedicated member on your forum and later you realize. Would you ban them?
4.You find that a dedicated member on your forum goes and spams someone else's forum. Would you ban them?
5. You know that this person is a spammer on another forum but a dedicated member on yours. They apply for staff. Do you let them?
6. A spammer on another forum is staff on yours. You trust them, but then you find out they are a spammer. Do you keep them?

Note: you can replace spammer with hacker, cracker etc.

Just looking at how others think 🙂
 
I'm going to sum up my answers to all those questions into one sentence David. I feel everyone, regardless of their reputation/status on other forums deserves another chance. They get a clean slate and they get to decide if it stays clean or if there going to get another bad reputation on my forum.
 
That's the type of answer I was looking for, though I didn't want it to be the first 😛

If you judge them on the basis of another forum, it shows how interrelated your forum is with the other.
 
1. When judging members, do you consider what they have done on other forums? Why/Why not?: I do not mostly. I do know who to keep an eye on, but as an earlier poster said, everyone deserves a second chance.

2. A spammer on another forum signs up on yours. Would you ban them even though they haven't done anything on your forum?: What kind of spammer? I don't think I would.

3. A spammer on another forum is a dedicated member on your forum and later you realize. Would you ban them?: No.

4.You find that a dedicated member on your forum goes and spams someone else's forum. Would you ban them?: No.

5. You know that this person is a spammer on another forum but a dedicated member on yours. They apply for staff. Do you let them?: This is a legitimate off-put, actually. I don't think I'd sweep them off the table but if they spam other forums *regularly* I would be careful who I hire.

6. A spammer on another forum is staff on yours. You trust them, but then you find out they are a spammer. Do you keep them?: I do, but perhaps have a talk with them about it, not in a "I will demote you" sense, of course. I take backups, what can I lose? 😛
 
1. When judging members, do you consider what they have done on other forums? Why/Why not?
Yes, I do. Why? Well, it gives me a little knowledge about how they are and what their behaviour is like.

2. A spammer on another forum signs up on yours. Would you ban them even though they haven't done anything on your forum?

No. I'll only ban if he begins spamming on my forum.

3. A spammer on another forum is a dedicated member on your forum and later you realize. Would you ban them?
No.

4.You find that a dedicated member on your forum goes and spams someone else's forum. Would you ban them?
No.

5. You know that this person is a spammer on another forum but a dedicated member on yours. They apply for staff. Do you let them?
No.

6. A spammer on another forum is staff on yours. You trust them, but then you find out they are a spammer. Do you keep them?
If he's been doing great so far, yes, I'd keep him. I'd demote if he starts conducting negative behaviour.
 
1. When judging members, do you consider what they have done on other forums? Why/Why not?

Only if they actually did something in my forum.

2. A spammer on another forum signs up on yours. Would you ban them even though they haven't done anything on your forum?

Well, if he's a known spammer, most likely I will.

3. A spammer on another forum is a dedicated member on your forum and later you realize. Would you ban them?

I'd talk to him personally.

4.You find that a dedicated member on your forum goes and spams someone else's forum. Would you ban them?

Most likely not. If it was an affiliate's forum, I'll at least talk to him about it.

5. You know that this person is a spammer on another forum but a dedicated member on yours. They apply for staff. Do you let them?

I doubt it.

6. A spammer on another forum is staff on yours. You trust them, but then you find out they are a spammer. Do you keep them?

I'll talk to him first.

I'll basically smite only if they don't stop.
 
1. When judging members, do you consider what they have done on other forums? Why/Why not?

No. When making the decision on a ban or suspension, I only consider the actions committed on my own forum. If he violated the rules of another forum, it is the responsibility of that forum's administrative body to deal with it.

2. A spammer on another forum signs up on yours. Would you ban them even though they haven't done anything on your forum?

Not until the person in question violates my own board's policies.

3. A spammer on another forum is a dedicated member on your forum and later you realize. Would you ban them?

No.

4.You find that a dedicated member on your forum goes and spams someone else's forum. Would you ban them?

No. I may alert that other board's administration.

5. You know that this person is a spammer on another forum but a dedicated member on yours. They apply for staff. Do you let them?

I do not accept applications for staff. When an additional staff member is needed, I nominate and offer the position to someone I have known and trusted.

6. A spammer on another forum is staff on yours. You trust them, but then you find out they are a spammer. Do you keep them?

This has yet to come up so I do not have an established policy. I would discuss the incident and determine how to proceed on a case-by-case basis.
 
1. When judging members, do you consider what they have done on other forums? Why/Why not?

No. I do not. Different forum, different experience. I give each person a fair chance. I may not always know why things went the way they did for them on other forums. They could have been the victim of power-abusing staff, or, they could have been an a**hole. I don't, and won't know what the case is with them on other forums, and so, I am not going to assume that I do and jump to conclusions.

The only time that I would hold something against them, is if they are a spammer, as in, a spambot. If I see a name, and it looks odd, then I will look into it, on Google, or look up their ip on http://projecthoneypot.org and if I see that they are in fact a spambot, then yes, I will ban them. I usually wait until they post first and then ban them.. but that is only if neither the name, or the ip look up yield results.

2. A spammer on another forum signs up on yours. Would you ban them even though they haven't done anything on your forum?

See answer number 1.

3. A spammer on another forum is a dedicated member on your forum and later you realize. Would you ban them?

See answer number 1. And, in addition, the operative term here is "later" if they used to be a spammer, and now, they are not, and this has been shown in the fact that they are, and have been a dedicated member of your forum, then doesn't that mean that they have seen the err of their ways, and have decided to behave themselves? If you used to be a immature, spamming, trolling a**hole, when you first started out on forums, and you've realized that that was the wrong thing to do and act on a forum and you decided to change your behavior for the better, would you want someone holding that against you everywhere you went?

Bottomline, I choose to give people enough rope to do what they want with it. They'll either hang themselves with it, by being an a**hole, or they can use it to pull themselves to safety by doing the right thing. Whether they are members on my forum, or people I know in real life, if you give someone a chance, they'll either sink or swim on their own.

4.You find that a dedicated member on your forum goes and spams someone else's forum. Would you ban them?

Having been in this situation before, I will say yes, but only if I get proof. If they are spamming that forum with our link, or impersonating my or any of my staff when they do it, then absolutely, but not without proof. If I have a member who does this, knowing full well that their bad behavior on other forums could bring trouble for me, or my forum, then that means that they really could not have been all that dedicated to my forum now can they? A dedicated member would stand behind you, not contribute to your downfall.

If you didn't ban that member, you would be considered an accomplice and they would likely think that you were the mastermind behind the whole incident. Which, would bring even more trouble for you. It is better to nip the whole thing in the bud. As I said, I have been in this situation before, only, it was with my brother's forum, and so, I'll just tell you what I did. I privately contacted the owner of the forum they spammed, by signing up and apologizing for their behavior via pm, and tell them that neither I, nor my staff had anything to do with it, and furthermore, we don't condone this behavior. I would ask the owner for the email and ip of the alleged spammer, and double check it against my list of members, and if there is a match, then I would ban that member, and inform the other owner as such.

If there isn't a match, then I would inform the other admin as such, and tell them that I cannot ban someone without proof. I would ask them to contact me if the spammer strikes again, and in the meantime, I would wildcard ban the ip address and the email of the one they gave me (as it would be obvious that that person is a trouble maker) and then post a notice on the forum and send out a mass email informing all of my members that anyone found spamming another forum or website with our link, or impersonating any of the staff while doing so, will be ip banned from the forum.

5. You know that this person is a spammer on another forum but a dedicated member on yours. They apply for staff. Do you let them?

See answer to question number 4.

Furthermore, I do not hold applications for staff. I have to have known them for some time, and have worked with them previously. However, if it is known that this person is an active spammer, then, no, I would not consider them for a staff position at my forum.

6. A spammer on another forum is staff on yours. You trust them, but then you find out they are a spammer. Do you keep them?

If it is known on the other forums that, that person is staff at my forum, and there is trouble as a result, then I would talk to that person about their behavior. I would tell them that while, they can do as they wish when they are not on my forum, at the same time, if they choose to do the wrong thing elsewhere, then they cannot be staff at my forum. I would tell them that it is nothing personal, but I would rather not be associated with someone intentionally does the wrong thing, especially if, their bad behavior elsewhere is traced back to me because it is known that they are staff at my forum, and as a result, I am forced to deal with the trouble from it. I would tell them that their behavior reflects poorly on the forum, and tell them that they can either stop their bad behavior, or I have to demote them.
 
1. When judging members, do you consider what they have done on other forums? Why/Why not?

Yes. If they've been rude or spammed the forum, then that affects my judgment.

2. A spammer on another forum signs up on yours. Would you ban them even though they haven't done anything on your forum?

Yep, hell, I ban them now. If I know they're a spammer, then they're banned.

3. A spammer on another forum is a dedicated member on your forum and later you realize. Would you ban them?

I would send them a mass pm and place them under surveillance.

4.You find that a dedicated member on your forum goes and spams someone else's forum. Would you ban them?

Not right away. I'd put them on surveillance.

5. You know that this person is a spammer on another forum but a dedicated member on yours. They apply for staff. Do you let them?:

No. I am not taking a risk.

6. A spammer on another forum is staff on yours. You trust them, but then you find out they are a spammer. Do you keep them?: No. If they have the potential to spam other forums, then they could spam the one they staff on. And, in my opinion, if you can be good on one forum, you should be good on all.
 
1. When judging members, do you consider what they have done on other forums? Why/Why not? When I ran a forum, I never judged other people by what they did on other forums, no matter what stories were brought up. I'd rather see how the person behaves myself before I make any decisions as to whether or not to keep them.
2. A spammer on another forum signs up on yours. Would you ban them even though they haven't done anything on your forum? This kind of goes with #1, but all the same, I'd just kind of keep an eye on them and seeing what they are doing before making any decisions.
3. A spammer on another forum is a dedicated member on your forum and later you realize. Would you ban them? Depends on the severity of the spamming. If he/she's posting a bunch of porn links, then it would have been an automatic ban, so it all depends on the situation at hand.
4.You find that a dedicated member on your forum goes and spams someone else's forum. Would you ban them? No. I'm a firm believer of, "what happens on a forum, stays on that forum." Again, if they did anything wrong on my forum, then I'd take the necessary steps needed to keep that from happening again.
5. You know that this person is a spammer on another forum but a dedicated member on yours. They apply for staff. Do you let them? This is a hard one to answer, I'd watch him very carefully, and if he caused any problems, then of course I'll refuse his application. Again, it all depends on the situation.
6. A spammer on another forum is staff on yours. You trust them, but then you find out they are a spammer. Do you keep them?
 
Spamming's actually allowed on some forums. We even have a board where people can ALMOST spam.

But--I think others above me have said it already but I'll add mine here--When you sign up on my board we don't judge your past, or what you do on other boards. The only time we care about that is when a member is bashing us, or bashing/harassing another member and carrying disagreements from our forum onto another one to duke it out there. Those are no-nos and punishable on our board.

But I don't care if they made trouble on another board as long as it isn't any of that. If it's got nothing to do with our community and they don't make trouble with us, I don't care and I don't judge.

I had quite a few spats on other boards before my present one, so let he who has never sinned.......
 
1. When judging members, do you consider what they have done on other forums? Why/Why not?

Not often, though I may be a little suspicious if they have been known to cause trouble. However, I only give punishments to those who cause trouble on 'my' forum and not others.

2. A spammer on another forum signs up on yours. Would you ban them even though they haven't done anything on your forum?

No. What they've done on the other forum is irrelevant to what they've done at mine. I will keep an eye on them though if they appear suspicious.

3. A spammer on another forum is a dedicated member on your forum and later you realize. Would you ban them?

No. Again, what's happened on other forums is irrelevant to what has happened on mine and I only punish those who cause trouble on mine.

4. You find that a dedicated member on your forum goes and spams someone else's forum. Would you ban them?

Ditto my other responses.

5. You know that this person is a spammer on another forum but a dedicated member on yours. They apply for staff. Do you let them?

Probably not, though I'd still give them the chance to apply. The misbehaviours in this instance would definitely be taken into consideration, simply because you need to trust that your staff will do the right thing and if they don't do the right thing at another forum, who's to say that won't happen at mine as well.

I know it sort of contradicts my other statements, but being a staff member does require more trust and responsibility than being a regular member, which is why more points need to be considered.

6. A spammer on another forum is staff on yours. You trust them, but then you find out they are a spammer. Do you keep them?

I 'would' keep them, but at the same time, would keep a close eye on them.
 
I personally enjoy smashing the dreams that all anons have of destroying UW via DDoS and spam, but I wouldn't just ban someone who attacks another forum. I might even laugh.
 
1. When judging members, do you consider what they have done on other forums? Why/Why not?
No

2. A spammer on another forum signs up on yours. Would you ban them even though they haven't done anything on your forum?

no

3. A spammer on another forum is a dedicated member on your forum and later you realize. Would you ban them?
no

4.You find that a dedicated member on your forum goes and spams someone else's forum. Would you ban them?
no

5. You know that this person is a spammer on another forum but a dedicated member on yours. They apply for staff. Do you let them?
no, I dont have staff applications.

6. A spammer on another forum is staff on yours. You trust them, but then you find out they are a spammer. Do you keep them?
yes.



In short, I dont care what people do elsewhere as long as they behave themselves on my forum. I wouldnt feel right disciplining someone on my forum who hasnt done anything wrong on my forum.
 
1. When judging members, do you consider what they have done on other forums? Why/Why not?
No. I do not consider what he/she has done on other forums. The reason I don't consider that is because I don't know the whole story behind why he/she acts that way on other forums. It could just be because the members on the forum in question are jerks.

2. A spammer on another forum signs up on yours. Would you ban them even though they haven't done anything on your forum?
I don't think that I'd ban him/her unless she started making the same kinds of posts on my forum.

3. A spammer on another forum is a dedicated member on your forum and later you realize. Would you ban them?
No. I wouldn't ban him/her for the same reason as #1.

4.You find that a dedicated member on your forum goes and spams someone else's forum. Would you ban them?
No. I wouldn't ban him/her for the same reason as #1. xD

5. You know that this person is a spammer on another forum but a dedicated member on yours. They apply for staff. Do you let them?
If he/she is a dedicated member on my forum, then I would consider giving him/her a chance.

6. A spammer on another forum is staff on yours. You trust them, but then you find out they are a spammer. Do you keep them?
Yes.
 
1. When judging members, do you consider what they have done on other forums? Why/Why not?

Not unless they apply for staff, no. Might warn staff about them though in case.

2. A spammer on another forum signs up on yours. Would you ban them even though they haven't done anything on your forum?

Depends. If it's a ''Convert video'' type spammer then yes, but if it's not, then probably not unless they do something at my forum.

3. A spammer on another forum is a dedicated member on your forum and later you realize. Would you ban them?

Seeing as it doesn't affect me or my forum, no.

4.You find that a dedicated member on your forum goes and spams someone else's forum. Would you ban them?

Very similar question to number 3, same answer, no.

5. You know that this person is a spammer on another forum but a dedicated member on yours. They apply for staff. Do you let them?

No, I don't like hiring people with a bad reputation.

6. A spammer on another forum is staff on yours. You trust them, but then you find out they are a spammer. Do you keep them?

I'd probably talk to them about it though I probably wouldn't demote them, no.
 
eXtreme said:
I'm going to sum up my answers to all those questions into one sentence David. I feel everyone, regardless of their reputation/status on other forums deserves another chance. They get a clean slate and they get to decide if it stays clean or if there going to get another bad reputation on my forum.

I agree mate 🙂
 
Good to see that people aren't prejudice. Thanks for answering the questions.
 
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