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Once again, in military power.ThePimpedMistletoe said:
Because you didn't do it very well. You did get lots of oil and hold over a strategically placed nation. That would be a good result, had you conducted it well.Irviding said:
American is the strongest nation in the world in terms of military strength. However, economically, China and Japan each own 20% of America's debt. That's not the sign of the most powerful nation in the world. America are now at the mercy of Asia, so to speak.
katy perry is hot
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Yeah but in this day and age, military power = power.
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There is a choice to be made. You can either have peace and prosperity or a strong military. The USA chose the latter decades ago.Irviding said:
China will be the next world super power, if it isnt already. Its army alone has a 1:1 ration to the entire American population.
China is an economic powerhouse, it has shown a rapid build up industry and modernisation. This is whilst America wades through a pool of debt.
America has a huge monetary debt to China, with them owing nearly 900 billion dollars.
Now, I can hear people say "But America has nuclear weapons!".
So, America launches WMD's against China. Only problem is their army/navy is already mobilised. The only thing that would be achieved is killing millions of civilians. Not to mention angering the UN, North Korea, and many other countries. Including my own country, Australia. Since China is a major trading partner and we need it for our economy.
China is an economic powerhouse, it has shown a rapid build up industry and modernisation. This is whilst America wades through a pool of debt.
America has a huge monetary debt to China, with them owing nearly 900 billion dollars.
Now, I can hear people say "But America has nuclear weapons!".
So, America launches WMD's against China. Only problem is their army/navy is already mobilised. The only thing that would be achieved is killing millions of civilians. Not to mention angering the UN, North Korea, and many other countries. Including my own country, Australia. Since China is a major trading partner and we need it for our economy.
katy perry is hot
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Yes but China's military is extremely behind compared to the US military and the British military. Especially the british SAS. The US and China would never go to war. It wouldn't be beneficial to either side. Regardless of how big it is. It's not about numbers.
Quacker Jack
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OBAMA said:
I'm with Tov. China has time to train their troops to reach our "excellence" so-to-speak. It might not be beneficial, but it is quite possible.
OBAMA said:
The cold war wasnt benfecial to anyone either, it was about being the sole super-power.
Ah, you've got it one. China's miltary dont rely on information networks and satelites. This is only a technlogical advantage, but it might also be a weakness. Cyberwarfare, its been proven that Americas military networks arent as safe as people would expect. Its been broken into many times, by China, Russia and even North Korea. If China takes down this information network, it will cripple the command line. And these "highly trained" army will be helpless without its technoligical support.
This is whilst China relies on no such network, its soldiers are trained without these technologies.
Your point concerning such paramilitary forces as the SAS, deltaforce, GIGN etc is not imporatant. These forces are made up 3 or 4 active units, up against over 300 million soldiers?
These forces would be used to assasinate leaders in the chain of command. These people will be protected by a chinese paramilitary force, and you can bet they will have more than 3 or 4 active units.
katy perry is hot
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First of all, North Korea has never broken into any US government system. North Korea can't even launch a long range missile.
And I know about the cyber hackings that we've been hit with. However, ever since the Obama administration tightened up on cyber warfare and appointed a czar for cyber warfare, we haven't seen any of the incidents we saw years ago of USBs with viruses on them getting put into our systems anymore, etc.
China is beginning to become very active in cyber warfare. You can find some articles on that. I know I read one just the other day.
I'm not just talking about technology. I'm talking about weaponry. China's standard issue assault rifles and handguns are no where near as advanced as those of the US. I know for a fact that large amounts of their military still use a type 81 assault rifle, which is basically an AK47.
The SAS is not a paramilitary unit. It is a full component of the British military. I know it stands for special air service but I'm not familiar with the organization of British military so I'd suppose its either under the purview of their army or if they have an air force, their air force. Again though, even if it were, it does matter. These are some of the most well trained operatives in the world. And of course Chinese leaders are well protected. I know from reading a memoir by Mao Zedong's personal physician, when Lin Bao was planning a coup on Mao and they got wind of it, the Chairman was taken to the great hall of the people and the building was surrounded with tanks and military forces to keep him secure in one of the rooms. That's a lot more than even a US president would probably get. I doubt he'd be taken to the capitol and the capitol would be surrounded with tanks 😛
Of course china is powerful, but it is no where near the US and the close allies of the US militarily or in terms of technology, or especially education.
And I know about the cyber hackings that we've been hit with. However, ever since the Obama administration tightened up on cyber warfare and appointed a czar for cyber warfare, we haven't seen any of the incidents we saw years ago of USBs with viruses on them getting put into our systems anymore, etc.
China is beginning to become very active in cyber warfare. You can find some articles on that. I know I read one just the other day.
I'm not just talking about technology. I'm talking about weaponry. China's standard issue assault rifles and handguns are no where near as advanced as those of the US. I know for a fact that large amounts of their military still use a type 81 assault rifle, which is basically an AK47.
The SAS is not a paramilitary unit. It is a full component of the British military. I know it stands for special air service but I'm not familiar with the organization of British military so I'd suppose its either under the purview of their army or if they have an air force, their air force. Again though, even if it were, it does matter. These are some of the most well trained operatives in the world. And of course Chinese leaders are well protected. I know from reading a memoir by Mao Zedong's personal physician, when Lin Bao was planning a coup on Mao and they got wind of it, the Chairman was taken to the great hall of the people and the building was surrounded with tanks and military forces to keep him secure in one of the rooms. That's a lot more than even a US president would probably get. I doubt he'd be taken to the capitol and the capitol would be surrounded with tanks 😛
Of course china is powerful, but it is no where near the US and the close allies of the US militarily or in terms of technology, or especially education.
2009 North Korean attacks: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31789294/ns ... -security/
Cyber attacks are alot easier than launching a long range missle, and much cheaper 😛
Im sorry for misintepreting your inteded meaning with technological advancement, I assumed you meant something that had a greater effect on the outcome of a war than the type of weapons used.
The Russians proved in the 80's that a 40 year old weapon could still stand up against modern US weapons, in Afghanistan.
The AK-47 and it its copies are still used for a reason, they are cheap to manufacture and incredibly reliable. They are simple to maintain and use.
The diffrence between the AK and the M4 are not great enough to effect a war, or even a battle.
Having researched further, some of the Chinese weapons programs are quite advanced. With laser weapons possibly being developed to blind or disable satelites.
It seems they are researching into kinetic energy weapons and particle based systems.
Im sure America also has intrests in these areas, iirc a kinetic energy weapon (rail gun) prototype has already been developed.
But dont make the mistake of thinking they are a technological backwater. Their weapons are suffeciant and quite up to the job.
This is a good read: http://blogs.forbes.com/prospernow/2011 ... n-the-u-s/
Cyber attacks are alot easier than launching a long range missle, and much cheaper 😛
Im sorry for misintepreting your inteded meaning with technological advancement, I assumed you meant something that had a greater effect on the outcome of a war than the type of weapons used.
The Russians proved in the 80's that a 40 year old weapon could still stand up against modern US weapons, in Afghanistan.
The AK-47 and it its copies are still used for a reason, they are cheap to manufacture and incredibly reliable. They are simple to maintain and use.
The diffrence between the AK and the M4 are not great enough to effect a war, or even a battle.
Having researched further, some of the Chinese weapons programs are quite advanced. With laser weapons possibly being developed to blind or disable satelites.
It seems they are researching into kinetic energy weapons and particle based systems.
Im sure America also has intrests in these areas, iirc a kinetic energy weapon (rail gun) prototype has already been developed.
But dont make the mistake of thinking they are a technological backwater. Their weapons are suffeciant and quite up to the job.
This is a good read: http://blogs.forbes.com/prospernow/2011 ... n-the-u-s/
PhairChild
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Germany is the top in Europe at the moment... there the only ones not in debt... actually if they pull out of the European stock stuff... all of Europe will collapse.. and were just about where other European countries are to be honest.... so Germany is the leading power... there supporting the world. If European stock crashes, we will crash (not fully) also.
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