The Pope has said sorry....

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Finally, after decades of child abuse by catholic priests and the shameless cover-ups, silence and self protection by the church the Pope has finally apologised and said sorry. But has this gone far enough?

What has the Pope apologised for? He's apologies for the crimes of individual priests. Well, I'm sorry that children were raped and abused in Church, I'm sorry that terrible things happen in the world, I'm sorry that they're happening right now in churches and beyond, but I'm not responsible for them. What the Pope is responsible for and what he has totally failed to acknowledge and apologise for is, in my opinion, the deliberate, clinical and systemic cover-up of these crimes by the institutional church in the interests of protecting its power, influence and its wealth.

And that's not just my view, it's also the view of three state inquiries as well as a number of inquiries around the world and it's not at all acknowledged in the Pope's letter.

Basically, he's shirked all personal responsibility and has failed to answer any of the charges levied at him and the authority of the church and has deflected this by simply and cowardly apologising on behalf of individual catholic priests.

So, he's not apologising for himself, he's apologising on behalf of others and at worst, this is a straightforward deceit as he's refused to engage with that which he's been asked to engage with and at best it proves that he just doesn't understand the nature of what he's being asked to deal with and that's a huge problem.

And what are the concrete actions that the Pope and the catholic church are going to take to ensure that these abhorrent and monstrous crimes can never be committed again? Well, it beggars belief and this I think is the whole problem with this church and it's refusal to engage with reality.

What is he going to do? Is he going to mandate and require under church law a protection policy that requires all Bishops to hand over information about priests who rape and abuse children to the authorities? No! His solution is to request all catholics in Ireland (and only catholics) to pray, to fast and to do penance, because that will fix everything :S and secondly there's going to be an apostolic visitation which can be no more than paying lip service in the hope that people think something is being done. No mandatory handing over of information of abusive priests to the authorities, no action on the global scandal, no attempts to protect people in the developing world where cardinals still say this problem doesn't exist, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

These are the gross failures that the church has committed and the lack of any real and concrete action to address the crime of abuse as apposed to the need to evangelise people to try and get them back in the church show exactly where the priority of the Pope and the Vatican lies.

An apology is and should be a recognition of fault, and with that recognition should come a certain understanding of where the fault lies. It is clear to me now, with the publication of this letter, that the Pope sees no, or very little fault with the authority and structure of the church itself but instead with individual priests and the damage they have done. Until a realisation is made that the problem lies with the very way that the structure and philosophy of the church itself is formed and severe and far reaching changes are made, especially the absurd celibacy law, these words are going to nothing to address the real problem.
 
I'm sure you're having a field day over this.

Seriously, it's not the churches fucking fault, You're gonna have pedos and other fuck ups doing any job. You want the police force to apologize if one of their employees is helping drug operations? Want the government to apologize if they've got some crooked officials?

I don't see it as a real "problem". Sure, there are pedophile priests that need to be removed, but for one of them there are thousands of other pedophiles in the world.
 
The problem lies with the way the church is run and this ridiculous celibacy law.

Also with their refusal to acknowledge their responsibility to help the authorities in any way they can to bring these monsters to justice rather than what they actually did which was to keep quite and cover it all up so it didn't reflect on their precious church.

Would you say the same thing if pedophile teachers were protected by their schools and simply 'moved on' to other schools to try to prevent a scandal?

Of course it's the f***ing churches fault for allowing a culture of protecting pedophile priests in the first place.
 
Again.. What did they do when they found out? Tried to protect them and hide them away from justice.

What kind of slap in the face is that to the victims?
 
For the record, "pedophile" and "child molester" are not synonymous. That's all I have to say about this.

If they were, a LOT more children would be molested.
 
It's Wikipedia. Anyone can edit it. And besides, Snobo didn't say anything like that. 0.o
 
Yamiyo said:
It's Wikipedia. Anyone can edit it. And besides, Snobo didn't say anything like that. 0.o

I've tried editing (trolling) Wikipedia and they edit it back within a couple of minutes. 😛
 
Sbfc said:
Yamiyo said:
It's Wikipedia. Anyone can edit it. And besides, Snobo didn't say anything like that. 0.o

I've tried editing (trolling) Wikipedia and they edit it back within a couple of minutes. 😛
What articles did you try editing?
 
Yamiyo said:
Sbfc said:
Yamiyo said:
It's Wikipedia. Anyone can edit it. And besides, Snobo didn't say anything like that. 0.o

I've tried editing (trolling) Wikipedia and they edit it back within a couple of minutes. 😛
What articles did you try editing?

Some articles on footballers I think, not 100% sure though.
 
Although I don't support Catholicism, you are taking this solely from an atheist point of view, making remarks that atheist would make to bash at the denomination.
 
Every organized religion contains a good amount of corruption.

Proof of this: Religion is run by humans, humans are imperfect, thus their own religions must have flaws in the way they are run and managed. Logic at it's best.

So yeah, i'm not surprised at this kinda thing any more.
 
I don't doubt that all religions have corruption but it does appear that the Catholic church has more than its fair share. Maybe it is the celibacy laws, who knows.

I personally know someone who was sexually absused by her father. Now her father was someone who was heavily involved with the Catholic church and made big donations. The girl tried telling the priest there and was told to keep quiet and that she must have done something to "tempt him". This girl was 8 yrs old when she tried speaking out. I know that this cannot be generalised and say this happens everywhere, but this once incident that I know happened makes me very wary of the Catholic Church.
 
Yamiyo said:
Did the churches know that the priests were pedophiles? Hell no.

They are not so stupid that they never suspected what was going on,they just chose to turn a blind eye and convince themselves that it wasn't
 
Gimgak said:
...Seriously, it's not the churches f*****g fault....

That is absolutely untrue, it was the church's fault. The Catholic Church as an institution covered up the abuse. A previous Pope sent a letter to every Bishop in the Catholic church, telling them that anyone who exposed the abuse of children would be excommunicated from the church.

Have a read of this report outlining what the head of the Catholic Church in Ireland, did to cover up abuse in Ireland.

The current pope has also been accused of covering up child abuse that took place in Germany.
 
Again, humans in power will abuse said power, it's nothing new really and I don't hold it against people when it happens. If you have the power to take sick days from work, theres bound to be a day you simply don't feel like going in (maybe after a long night drinking?), so you call in sick. It doesn't compare completely, but it is abuse of that power. Same goes with speeding down the roadway, or cheating on your wife with sluts if you happen to be a golf star (or president for that matter). I believe South Park just did a episode about Sex Addiction and why rich people tend to cheat on their wifes, it's the power they hold.

So yeah, i'm at the same spot. Not religious and this is the reason why. Not because I don't believe there can't be a god, because I don't trust humans enough to teach me the 100% unbiased / uncorrupted version of said theories with attached facts going both ways.
 
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