katy perry is hot
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I figured I'd make a topic on this. What does everyone think? Yes or no to torture and gitmo?
Torture or "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques"
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As long as you don't kill the person from it or get too gruesome (I.e., slowly torture to death by slicing off pieces of their body, chop up their tongues inside their mouths, other extremes), the person has done something VERY bad (I.e., terrorism), and we need the information to protect civilians.
Thus waterboarding, which is nowhere near as bad as other forms of torture, is acceptable for terrorist situations. In some cases, it might not even go far enough.
Thus waterboarding, which is nowhere near as bad as other forms of torture, is acceptable for terrorist situations. In some cases, it might not even go far enough.
Which do you value more, bearded terrorist or innocent civilians? If a single torture - not "enhanced integration", but torture - session on a terrorist can save one american, or even has a good chance of such, I'm for it. Our military is out there to save lives. If interrogation,even by waterboarding, is part of that mission, then go ahead.
katy perry is hot
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Yeah but it isn't. There are no ticking time bomb scenarios in real life. 24 is a good show, but it isn't real. That's the thing here. Torture has also been proven by numerous interrogators to be counter productive and actually just ineffective totally. I remember a few years back there was a case where a CIA interrogator gave a terrorist a copy of Harry Potter and had normal conversations with him about what America is really for, and showed him that America is not what Bin Laden says it is. Of course at that point, the suspect gave up all information he had. There are a whole ton of links against torture proving its uselessness and ineffectiveness. I have to check a backup page of my old forum to find them.
Tell that to the military/CIA. I want them to do whatever they see best for preserving our national security. Unlike you, I feel that the military/CIA know what they're doing and could do more of it if not for interference.Irviding said:
katy perry is hot
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You can't run a country like that. It can't just be "Let these select few have all this power to do whatever they want and violate constitutional laws because I've seen lots of movies about them and they seem smart" There has to be purview and transparency.Cosmic said:
katy perry is hot
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Even if it doesn't work? Even if it can be done more effectively without having to resort to sick and inhumane methods that a developed country like ours should never be doing?Cosmic said:
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You know I used to have the same opinion as you until I was proven wrong. I really need to find all those links and eyewittness testimonies on what torture really is and how it is a complete failure. Cross your fingers that IPB will let me see a backup page of my old site 😛Cosmic said:
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Heres my opinion:
If some guy is putting an electrical node up to my balls asking me questions, i'm gonna answer them regardless of whether or not I know the answer.
If some guy is putting an electrical node up to my balls asking me questions, i'm gonna answer them regardless of whether or not I know the answer.
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If you're so distrustful of the government, then why do you trust the CIA and military implicitly?Cosmic said:
I'm not saying that I'm not distrustful of the government; I am, but I'm also distrustful of the military, CIA, and other law enforcement agencies.
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The founding fathers also left that whole slavery thing out of the Constitution, but we cleaned that up, didn't we?Cosmic said:
pointless point is pointless. That was an entirely detached comment. The founding fathers weren't right on 100% of issues - slavery was one thing that they probably should have addressed - but I assure you, they aren't wrong on many things. Thus, your futile attempt at race-mongering is just that: futile.<br /><br />-- September 26th, 2010, 1:15 pm --<br /><br />Perhaps you should? Other countries are already doing what you want done. Like Greece, for example.
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Cosmic said:
That point wasn't pointless. You make out the stuff said by the founding fathers to be infallible, when they're just the same as today's politicians: Human.
Just because the FF said the milliatary was essential, doesn't mean torture is OK and that the organizations can't be corrupted. Also, you're playing what I call the race card card, it's a common conservative tactic. Someone brings up something related to race (even though they're not explicitly using race to further their point) and you jump all over it and scream "RACE CARD" because you're losing the argument. Grow up.
The Founding Fathers of Northern States were all "No slavery, and I don't want slaves to be counted in the census for electorates and congressmen"
The Southern guys were all "Hey man we need slaves."
Thus slavery was made in compromise.
Also slavery has nothing to do with torturing terrorists in other news.
Also race lololwat
The Southern guys were all "Hey man we need slaves."
Thus slavery was made in compromise.
Also slavery has nothing to do with torturing terrorists in other news.
Also race lololwat
Isn't it Obama that keeps telling us he's black? It was, last I checked. You are playing the race card card, which means you're claiming that other people are racists.
Anyway, leftists play it more than conservatives. Don't you remember when bush was called racist by leftists for his Katrina reaction?
If it can help us get the information we need to prevent a terrorist attack, why would we not waterboard? When we start chopping off people's fingers, then I'll start taking the cries of "torture!!!111" seriously.
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