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He didn't win because of the electoral college, his brother was the governor of Florida.Gimgak said:
Warentless Wiretapping/Monitoring of Email
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I completely agree, but the winner should be the person who comes in first place rather than the person who comes in second.Gimgak said:
Snobothehobo said:
The president is not the president of the people. Any candidate who forgets that alway loses. The president, is a president of the United States. Immediate rule of citizens rests upon governors and state representatives, this is why the electoral college is in place, and why it works.
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The electoral college is not a democratic system. I don't know how Americans can say that the United States is democratic when they don't even elect their head of state. That's not to say that the USA would be democratic even if the electoral college were replaced with direct election, though. It's more of a corporatocracy. Anybody gets elected if the largest corporations like them.amaan said:
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I have a question, do you think the USA right now is just like the Galactic Republic was in the years (starting around the start of TPM) till the Empire was born in ROTS? I mean, a lot of corporations controlling the Republic, a lot of corrupt politicians, and a smooth talking head of state with ever increasing powers? If it's not Obama that gaining power, though he never repealed the PATRIOT Act despite being supposedly anti-Bush and anti-Republican. Anyway, this also seems odd that the Republicans were the ones that increased government control. For a long while it's just been the Democrats who were more left who wanted a bit more government control and the Republicans being the more right wanting fewer regulations. Now it seems that though Republicans are still in favor of corporations, they no longer despite increased government power. And the Democrats are rapidly moving toward socialism.
Rome was once a Republic until Julius Ceasar and later his heir Octavius came along. They won freedom from the Estruacns but gradually the heads of the Roman Republic became too powerful and the famous/infamous Roman Empire was born.
Also, the French freed themselves of their kings but later made Napolean their Emperor.
I have found a flaw in the Founding Fathers plans of Balance of Power.
While the three branches will counteract each other, two flaws could foil that logic
1.) All three cooperate to form a tyrannical government
2.) All three may disagree but become more and more powerful individually until all three control everything and are fighting amongst themselves to be the controller of all with the common people like us as servants and caught up in the middle of it.
However, I've thought of suing the Supreme Court, hey, nothing in the Constitution or any laws that I'm aware of say that you can't sue a court, even the Supreme Court, and charge them with abuse of power.
They have been "robed lawmakers" for too long!
This nonsense of theirs threatening arrest to high school seniors if they pray in school and/or at their graduation is so unconstitutional that if the Founding Fathers were around, any of them, they'd start another American Revolution.
While I don't think, at this stage, they'd have to go to arresting people for praying at all, or something like that before outright war could be justified, but if they go through with these threats, perhaps if some people were to form a human chain and block access to the White House, the Senate Building, and the Supreme Court Building, then maybe they'll listen a bit more to us that we're tired of the oppression.
Just saying.
As of yet, it appears that these things they're saying are empty threats, but they day they go through with them....well, then that has to be dealt with somehow. Not in a way nearly as dramatic as that mentioned above, but doing nothing isn't an option either.
Rome was once a Republic until Julius Ceasar and later his heir Octavius came along. They won freedom from the Estruacns but gradually the heads of the Roman Republic became too powerful and the famous/infamous Roman Empire was born.
Also, the French freed themselves of their kings but later made Napolean their Emperor.
I have found a flaw in the Founding Fathers plans of Balance of Power.
While the three branches will counteract each other, two flaws could foil that logic
1.) All three cooperate to form a tyrannical government
2.) All three may disagree but become more and more powerful individually until all three control everything and are fighting amongst themselves to be the controller of all with the common people like us as servants and caught up in the middle of it.
However, I've thought of suing the Supreme Court, hey, nothing in the Constitution or any laws that I'm aware of say that you can't sue a court, even the Supreme Court, and charge them with abuse of power.
They have been "robed lawmakers" for too long!
This nonsense of theirs threatening arrest to high school seniors if they pray in school and/or at their graduation is so unconstitutional that if the Founding Fathers were around, any of them, they'd start another American Revolution.
While I don't think, at this stage, they'd have to go to arresting people for praying at all, or something like that before outright war could be justified, but if they go through with these threats, perhaps if some people were to form a human chain and block access to the White House, the Senate Building, and the Supreme Court Building, then maybe they'll listen a bit more to us that we're tired of the oppression.
Just saying.
As of yet, it appears that these things they're saying are empty threats, but they day they go through with them....well, then that has to be dealt with somehow. Not in a way nearly as dramatic as that mentioned above, but doing nothing isn't an option either.
Snobothehobo said:
Lol the USA is not a democracy and our constitution does not say we are either lol. The united states is a representative republic where we elect congressmen and senators to vote for us in Washington. The electoral college is set up so that states with hardly any people in them don't have more authority than smaller states with more people. Is the system perfect? No. But no system is. The USAs federal system is put into place to protect and tax. It's the sole responsibility of the state to regulate public safety, health, and social matters. When people from the EU look at the US they blame the federal govt for issues of healthcare and gay marriage and public safety, when it's the indivual states that regulate these. People fail to look at the bigger picture, complain to governors if you have an issue with a policy
It's not up to the individual states though. The feds will block you off if you decide to make any bigger changes, like when Texas got sick of getting molested by TSA agents the federal government said they'd put a no fly zone on them.
Well the fed would argue that tsa is put in place by homeland security which falls under the fed govts job of national security. I'm not a fan of TSA using overly intrusive matters either, It just is what it is. I'm all in favor of making the federal govt smaller and I'm happy to live in a country that let's me say thatvand join groups that work to that goal. No country is perfect and each one is different; which is why socialism works for EU, communism for china, and a rep democracy in the US. Each one works for their people
Yes, I agree too with a smaller federal government more can be done that will actually work. I just don't see it effective when people are born with citizenships, it's a shame how mindless most voters are. Around where my dad lives most people disagree with Obama only, and ONLY because he's black. Got more than a fair share of those whackos where I live too though, it's too bad people don't need to earn their right to vote.
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You were saying something about emails?<br /><br />-- 13 Jun 2011, 15:20 --<br /><br />The Hat Tipper said:
Justin M said:
Breach of First Amendment Rights =/= a tort
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You do realize that if all else fails, the FBI could just break into your house and shoot you in the head, right? They'd just say you were a terrorist, and everyone would eat it up. "Limited government" my ass.
Jedi Penguin
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And if I saw them coming, I could shoot back and say that I thought they were armed robbers! Also, you're assuming the FBI would willingly kill the innocent. Wouldn't some of them realize that we're not terrorists and that this is just a Big Brother plot and either refuse to participate or secretly work against them and foil their plan?
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