Well, it passed

We did vote for what is right Cosmic, but we can't change it. It never will be changed. Nowadays you cannor riot and a long well thought out speech against it does nothing.

Also in the late 80s the republicans wanted to pass this bill, personaly I think republicans are just pissed off because democrats stole their idea.


We did what we could. We as a country voted him in, we as a country decided to have the health care bill.
 
Republicans like Nixon and bush are liberals just like many democrats. They are all in the same corrupt camp. This about about conservatism (valuing the constitution and long held principles of this nation such as capitalism) vs. Liberalism (Socialization, not caring for the constitution, unorthodox methods of passing legislation).

And you can make an impact on things. People need to get active in things like the tea party movement (this is assuming they dislike the current administration) and speak out. these politicians need to know america is watching, because come November, we will teach them a lesson. To us conservatives that would mean voting them out, to supporters of Obama's policy that would mean a pat on the back by voting for them, and by the far left it would be a vote for even more liberal congressmen. If Washington does not know that we are watching, they will do who knows what.

Just accepting whatever the government imposes on us is not the way this nation is meant to run. You need to stand up and tell them what you think, be it positive or negative, liberal or conservative, or somewhere in the middle.
 
People nowadays are scared to speak out. The government has so many secrets and seriously, todays sports consist of Twittering and Texting. No one will step up to do this, people will sit at home and post on forums complaining how this shouldn't have passed, no one will.
 
Then you need to do something. But people are standing up to this, look at the tea party and the many conservative radio talk show hosts.
 
Cosmic said:
What are you saying? Can you PLEASE say that again? Cuba/Canada has a better healthcare system than america a couple years ago?

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Remember the Canadian politician who took a quick plane to the US when he needed health care? People who glorify people like Castro and Chavez are socialist propagandists. Many of you seem to believe every word the media feeds you.

Who exactly are you talking about? Why don't you learn what actually goes on in other nations before saying you're the best. I love Canada, and I think it's one of the best countries to live in. I know for a fact, however, we're nowhere near perfect. No country is.
 
Irviding said:
Cosmic said:
Mokeli said:
I am sooo happy it passed I really don't care what other people say about bad things that are going to happen I just so grate full and happy .
Well, have fun being taxed. It's ignorance to support something you know almost nothing of. Obama is just an opinionated as Rush Limbaugh and other conservatives. Don't blindly listen to democrats without listening to conservatives too. (and the other way around).
What do you mean have fun being taxed? We already payed a shitload for the previous healthcare system, at least this way that shitload is going to a better cause and is going to stop insurance companies from not letting people with pre-existing conditions get healthcare.
now thanks to the health care you dont have to pay alot of money for an example you go to the doctor and the that doctor sends you to another for a test , instead of pay to bills you pay one small one .
 
This is how I look at the whole idea.

The United States is VERY far behind health care compared to Europe. I mean they have had free healthcare for a long time. But you can't just change it so drastically like this! What happens to insurance companies. Everyone is going to be going to hospitals for treatment for stupid little things like colds.

This is simply going to be like welfare system, but worse.
 
What is this free y'all are talking about? I will bold it because of how true it is:

Free? What is this free you speak of? NOTHING IS FREE

Every dime the government spends is charged to you in taxes. You do not get free healthcare, you just get other peoples' bills.
 
It costs money to make money. We pay much more taxes than you but get much more back.
 
Cosmic said:
@THT: You are a citizen of the united states of america and it is your civil duty to remove any administration you see as wrong and keep an eye on political matters to ensure that the government is kept an eye on.
See, these are the words said on Fox News that make people crazy. "remove any administration", gotta love that.


A lot of people in this thread have to wake up and realize that no one is losing their doctor or being forced to go to some underground government facility to get medical care. Stop watching FOX.
 
This bill will make healthcare more accessible to 'everybody'. Before this, people would be turned away if they didn't have health insurance. You needn't worry about that now.

Yes, you still pay for it in taxes, but the taxes are dependent on your income. Those who don't have enough for taxes won't pay for it, but they won't be denied healthcare. Even if you don't end up having some kind of big surgery, then somebody else will. Take pride in saving a life. 😛


Really, how can you oppose against somebody having good health, no matter what their economic status? Healthcare is more than something materialistic like a car, so why should it have been treated as something that needs 'insurance'. Have a heart. (Pun intended.) 😉


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Really, how can you oppose against somebody having good health, no matter what their economic status?
FOX News says, "Poor people being able to live comfortably is bad for rich people, so don't support universal health care or you're a [insert scare word here ("commie," "socialist," "terrorist," and those other words that are interchangeable in the United States")]." Really, though, the health care bill that was just passed doesn't even come close to universal health care. I wish that the U.S. Democratic party would actually try to be liberal. Anybody who says that the current government is too liberal is simply wrong. The Democratic party is just as conservative as the Republican party.
 
Snobothehobo said:
Really, how can you oppose against somebody having good health, no matter what their economic status?
FOX News says, "Poor people being able to live comfortably is bad for rich people, so don't support universal health care or you're a [insert scare word here ("commie," "socialist," "terrorist," and those other words that are interchangeable in the United States")]."
Wow... lol...
:lol:
 
Snobothehobo said:
FOX News says, "Poor people being able to live comfortably is bad for rich people, so don't support universal health care or you're a [insert scare word here ("commie," "socialist," "terrorist," and those other words that are interchangeable in the United States")]."

A comment like that is like saying George W. Bush is a Fascist, which also is pretty extreme.
 
What? Bush? He ain't the most shining conservative. Republicans of his era were leaning a bit towards liberal themselves.

The problem is that when you add millions upon millions of people to healthcare coverage it gets impossible to get care. Emergency room lines, for example, take 7 hours or so to get through, even if you are having a heart attack. This will only get worse, until people start dying while waiting for care.

And taxes don't "go back to you". The government mandates what you must purchase with the money you pay through taxes, therefore meaning that if they spend it on elections or their own entertainment, you have no control over that. all you can do is unelect them in 2/4/6 years. This money which is taken from you in taxes may not go towards the economy in the same way you would spend it. Every time these "rich monsters" buy a flat screen TV is stimulates the economy. Every time these "middle class" people purchase a hamburger from McDonalds, it stimulates the economy. Every time someone engages in commerce, it boosts the economy. The more you tax people, the less commerce is engaged in. Therefore, taxing people will make the economy worse and slow down recovery. Ronald Reagen dropped taxes for this reason, why can't Barrack Obama learn from one of the greatest presidents in American history? I think I know why, and if you actually listen to his own words, this will tell you too. Barrack Hussein Obama does not want to fix the economy, he wants to redistribute the wealth. This will make everyone poor, including the rich and the middle class.
 
Don't go back to you? You should really check out places other than the United States. Mind you, I don't think Bush (or any Republican, for that matter) is a fascist, I just find it's unfair that Obama is called a socialist.

Canada has a national Employment Insurance program. We (even me having worked a part time job at McDonald's) have to give about 1-2% of our paycheck to the EI pool. EI funds are generously given to people who are out of work, but there's more to it than that. In Canada, should a mother go pregnant, she obviously has to take a leave to take care of her baby. She can get thirty-five weeks off, and EI will pay her 70% of her current pay/salary, while guaranteeing the job back when she gets back. Not only that, illness and compassionate care are also covered in EI. I didn't even talk about the Canada Pension Plan yet.

You don't get anything back? Yeah, we pay more taxes than the Americans do (our sales tax is 13%). Canada's Economic Action Plan has been a plan to basically improve the infrastructure of places around Canada. Skating rinks, parks, libraries, etc. These guys are all getting funds to improve the buildings and the surroundings we live in. The Canadian government is funding that, not corporate investors. That money is going to the construction workers, to the cities, the infrastructures, etc. Should we get taxed as much as the Americans, will the Harper Government ever be able to fund that? If not at all, at least in a much smaller scale. Watch the Canadian Dollar be worth more than the American dollar in a few months time (NOTE: in 2002, $1 USD = $1.50 CAD). Mind you, we are right now ran by the rightmost party in Canada (disregarding the little fringe parties who don't have a seat in our House of Commons).

A Canadian election takes a fraction of the money to run than an American election. Most of the time, the leader of each party is already chosen, we don't need them to campaign against each other nationwide to lead a party. Stephen Harper basically called an election in June, 2008 and it ended months before the American one even started. Four-year terms don't necessarily exist here. Prime Ministers can hold their positions for many years, well past eight. There aren't those limits, and clearly we get much less ads saying how Stephen Harper sucks, vote Ignatieff than Vote Obama, not McCain.

If you really wanted to boost the economy by spending, why do you have to spend it on the largest corporation in the market? What about the Mom and Pop shop? What about those little guys who might run one or two restaurants max? Don't they exist as well? Canada isn't the only example. I'm sure someone else from outside of North America can tell us how their country runs. Yeah, Canada isn't perfect. We still haven't reached our target of giving 0.7% of our GDP to foreign aid. Yes, you have to spend on the economy, but it has to be sustainable. You can easily name tens of hundreds of celebrities who went bankrupt. Not only them, you can name corporations. Should Obama be spending money on banks? Of course not. Having said that, was he ever a member of Bank of America or Lehman Brothers' Board of Directors? Maybe if they weren't allowed to commit leverage, Lehman Brothers would've still been around and they wouldn't have begged Obama for money.
 
It's all about freedom and the right to do what you want to do with your money. You can donate as much as you like to funds like that, but should you have to? No! Is it the government's job to dictate everything we do, including what career we get into and how we spend our money? NO! The government is comprised of elected representatives, not gods. they are just like us, and in many cases they are dumber than us. A few days ago an admiral was discussing moving 5,000 extra marines and their families to the island of Guam. A congressman, who was there, asked "Is not Guam just x miles long and x miles wide?". The admiral said yes, it was. The congressman replied, "Well, my concern is that if Guam becomes overpopulated... it will tip over... and capsize...". The admiral's priceless reply was: "...................... We don't anticipate that". The American government has a long history of being inefficient and bureaucratic.

These benefits you speak of can be accomplished by starting charity funds. Why does the government have to mandate them? THIS IS ABOUT FREEDOM! The freedom to spend your money how you want it, the freedom to chose your healthcare plan, the freedom to do what you want when you want, and the freedom to say anything you like. America was supposed to be a country of Freedom with free speech.
 
Both Bush and Obama were creeps that ruined that. Freedom of speech has been compromised by many, many people before, but the founders of this nation intended for it to be here. As I said, Bush is not a saint either.

All Republicans are not conservatives.
All Democrats are not Liberals.

This is not a partisan issue. McCain is a shining example of a liberal republican.
 
If it's not a partisan issue, then why are you using it as ammo against liberals?
 
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