What has been overdone, nowadays.

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I just thought writing an article/blog post would be helpful to some, so here we go...

I have seen quite a number of new forums being made, not by the day, but by the hour, literally. I for one started a forum this year (2009), along with the hundreds of other people on the same day. I created a graphics forum, and after seeing Big-Boards, I thought this would be worth creating. I wasn't wrong, I wasn't right. Now, the purpose of this is to tell you what forums are too popular nowadays.

The most popular forum being created in my promotion forum experience, is in fact promotion forums. I for one am on 6 promotion forums, 4 being staff. I must say thats quite a number for just me, but then I consider the amount of promotion forums that I have seen, and the ones that I haven't. Its an outrageous amount, and to be honest, quite insulting when they close. I see way to many promotion forums closing after a few months, and even weeks. No effort is shown by those owners, and you think, what a waste of time. You must be dedicated to a promotion forum, and have friendly staff that do not even show a hint of power in members' first few weeks. otherwise, those forums will just crumble. I must also bring to attention the purpose of a promotion forum. 90% of the time, the promotion forum itself is more active than the forum needing promotion. So, balancing up the time, members, posts, money, you must think to yourself, is it worth promoting? Do I really get the most benefit, or do they? Personally, I would say the promotion forum would benefit more, but you must also consider them as another forum, starting off just like yours, in need of a few posts made in the exchanges section or the packages section. I must add that promotion forums cater for the same group of people. Do you see a major change in members over the different promotion forums? I wouldn't think so. You will just be talking to the same person. Pretty pointless eh?

Another towering genre is discussion forums. They are popular since they can generate a lot of activity, but have a think big think about it, it can go two ways. Success for the forum, or complete failure. The only real successful way to manage and gain activity on a discussion forum, is to be recognised on a forum which is quite large. Gaining a reputation, making friends, being noticed will get you over the line, and it will gain the activity needed in the first few weeks. Then, most of the "fake" activity will die off, and genuine members will come. I have seen time and time again normal members (not staff) making discussion forums, then closing it down. Its a shame to see that they have such high hopes, but then tumble, then starting a new idea, then tumble again. Now, I must accept the fact that people will definitely disagree with what I said, and I do know what they mean. But have a think about it. Someone with no forum experience is unlikely to suddenly make a Big-Boards top forum listing. Someone who has gained a reputation on another forum will get at least a good distance ahead of their fellow forumers. General discussion forums itself will do good in the short term, with simple post exchanges, and cash offers, but in the long term, you will need to rely on your reputation, and your ability to sell yourself. Also note that what goes inside your forum will matter, but irrelevant to the point I'm making.

I would say graphics forums are over done nowadays. I created my graphics forum during a time when I was improving in graphics, and also, I had a personal purpose. Many who create a graphics forum either think they are good at graphics, think that they can attract good graphic designers, think that they know how to handle one, or think its a genre that hasn't been overdone. However, I see more graphics forums being created, then failing. Also, since its such a popular topic now, I see that people are trying to integrate graphics into another genre, for example Manga and graphics (not targeting anyone). When I created my graphics forum, it was merely a way to see how I could help those who genuinely need help in graphics. I wanted to provide support, complete requests, and have fun. I did 2/3 successfully (won't tell you which ones), but the thing was, I had a purpose, and thats how I got to 5000 posts, in a short time frame (also noting I had great members). People also think graphics is about completing requests, and when people ask, they can't do it. Graphics is way to broad if you are starting off. Graphics can be technical, practical, visual and theoretical, yet people don't see these things. Those who create graphics forums who think they can handle that, but inside they know they can't will find themselves falling into a massive whole, and one that they probably can't get out of. A graphics forum is over done and I see that the successful ones do affect them because they will gain way more attention.

I will also say an equal increase in anime forums and fan forums. These tend to be popular. For anime, you cannot beat Gaia Online. Its the biggest forum on the World Wide Web and believe it or not, its anime based. You will think you can do good in this area, but all the attention is there. There is no doubt that you will fail if you try to copy Gaia. Anime seems popular because you can relate it to those children's Manga shows, and that is a good starting ground, but, you must research this area and see that its packed, and I mean packed. Fan forums are on the rise, such as an increase of MJ forums when he died. Note that you may gain attention in the short term, but when they die, or when their music, sport, or style dies out, so too will your forum. Its overdone because people think its unique, talking about one person, or a group, but in actual fact, its not. You are still talking about someone, and so you will find many forums that talk about that same person/group. Also, why not just join a forum about that person/group, rather attempt to do better than them? Its pretty pointless making something identical and assume you are unique.

Gaming forums seem pretty popular now. Not as popular as the ones mentioned, but is definitely overdone. Talking about the same thing on different forums is quite boring from my experience, with the exact same topics like "What was the last game you played?" and "Whats your favourite console?". Gaming forums will need to target certain niches like a specific game, but then, that would turn into the same issue as a fan forum (when the game dies, so will the forum). This is a hard genre to tame since there are big (and I mean big) forums that already cover this. If you want to make a gaming forum, I'd suggest you make sure you have something special, like constant competitions or constant updates, and maybe gossip and leaks into games. Thats what people want to hear, not the constant same topics.

These are the types of forums that are on the rise or have just flooded forum genres. Even if statistics don't show this, just looking in the basic promotion will tell you what people want. You hear this all the time, and its have something unique, or have a custom skin, or have a lot of posts. Yes and no is my response. You must have dedication, and perseverance to own these types of forums. You can have uniqueness, or a custom skin, but when you have users knowing the admin isn't dedicated, well then why bother posting there? If you tame dedication and perseverance, you will then get what you want, and the unqiueness, the custom skin and the posts will come later at ease.

Lastly, I must tell you this is not something official. Its like a memoir, just telling you the experiences of forum/Internet life. I don't expect you to agree, but I expect you to respect differing views.

Thank you for reading if you did. :yes:

Note: This can't be published under a different account other than my own.

David.
 
Re: What not to start nowadays.

OK, let me state my opinion.

You say Gaia is a massive anime forum, and many people won't go past it. On saying that, most of the posts are only made to get ingame cash for the game, and it isnt even a forum really, it has no community feel to it. Also, a difference between anime and gaming forums, is accessability. Game consoles, cost hundreds, the games cost maybe $50, and lets face it, billions of people use the internet nowadays, and you can easily stream anime for free, so the price difference is massive. Also, in Japan, you are basically born into Anime. They are all over the TV, Ad's, computers etc. So forums can regularly get a source of users based on this.
 
Re: What not to start nowadays.

True, but you did recognise the name Gaia, eh? It proves that they can get attention, therefore the activity. 🙂

Anyway, its good to hear feedback. Thanks 😉
 
Re: What not to start nowadays.

I think this is one of the best guides I have read.

Also you are right with Gaia Online. I'm not an anime fan, but they sure got a hell of an activity. Even so, I wouldn't want to own a forum like that, as it would require a hell of a work to maintain and keep it spam free.

Great job writing this guide 🙂
 
Re: What not to start nowadays.

dotDavid said:
True, but you did recognise the name Gaia, eh? It proves that they can get attention, therefore the activity. 🙂

Anyway, its good to hear feedback. Thanks 😉

I only know the name because I used to play it, and people dont know Gaia for the forum, I am sure that if you typed in anime forum it would not be top spot in google.
 
Re: What not to start nowadays.

Nevertheless you can relate it back to the forum, which they have done so successfully. 😉

BTW TPM, I know you are starting an anime forum. I'm not saying you shouldn't start one, just saying you will need something special about your forum, because there are already heaps of developed and recognised anime forums. Good luck with it.

Thanks DirTek. 😀
 
Re: What not to start nowadays.

Just because there is a large number doesn't mean you shoulden't make it. It just means you have more competition and it requires you to be unique.
 
Re: What not to start nowadays.

Which one are you referring to? :shrug:
 
Re: What not to start nowadays.

Santa said:
Just because there is a large number doesn't mean you shoulden't make it. It just means you have more competition and it requires you to be unique.

But being 'unique' can be the death of your forum. Your best advice is to try new things, see if they work, do regular competitions and supply users with something to stay for.
 
Re: What not to start nowadays.

I completely agree with what you have said, it seems there are more forum owners than members nowadays! LOL

I have to admit, my first forum was the same genre as a load of others out there (Paganism) and it is taking a while for it to get big, but at 5 months old and nearly 10k of posts and a fair number of regular posters we've done well.

I always do a lot of research when I am thinking about setting up a new forum - to make sure that there arent millions of the same kind with massive amounts of activity. Due to doing this, my second forum ended up having almost 2k of posts within a week, because there was only 2 other large forums in the same genre.

No idea is going to be unique now, its just not but that doesnt mean you cant make your own forum a hit. I think people need to choose topics that they are interested in (both of which I did) and offer a combination of things that the other big ones dont (or at least dont offer them in one place).

I've rambled... Sorry! LOL
 
Re: What not to start nowadays.

dotDavid said:
The most popular forum being created in my promotion forum experience, is in fact promotion forums. I for one am on 6 promotion forums, 4 being staff. I must say thats quite a number for just me, but then I consider the amount of promotion forums that I have seen, and the ones that I haven't. Its an outrageous amount, and to be honest, quite insulting when they close. I see way to many promotion forums closing after a few months, and even weeks. No effort is shown by those owners, and you think, what a waste of time. You must be dedicated to a promotion forum, and have friendly staff that do not even show a hint of power in members' first few weeks. otherwise, those forums will just crumble. I must also bring to attention the purpose of a promotion forum. 90% of the time, the promotion forum itself is more active than the forum needing promotion. So, balancing up the time, members, posts, money, you must think to yourself, is it worth promoting? Do I really get the most benefit, or do they? Personally, I would say the promotion forum would benefit more, but you must also consider them as another forum, starting off just like yours, in need of a few posts made in the exchanges section or the packages section. I must add that promotion forums cater for the same group of people. Do you see a major change in members over the different promotion forums? I wouldn't think so. You will just be talking to the same person. Pretty pointless eh?

My friends been telling me on MSN to make a promotion forums. :| Because I always been a creative person I know I could make one very different from the others, but I never knew I should try or not. Anyway must took you a long time to make that! I put in quote the best part I read in it. 😀
 
Re: What not to start nowadays.

If you "try to copy" ANYTHING, you won't get far. If all your forum is is a clone of another forum {or largely so} what incentive does anyone have to go to your forum vs the original? Apart from having the luck to stumble on yours first? Chances are really good that whoever innovated to create the forum you're copying off of is also doing a better job at it. So yeah, if you want a successful forum don't just copy someone else's. It's okay to take ideas they have and build on them to make them yours, but that's different.
 
Re: What not to start nowadays.

Thanks for the comments. I see a lot of agreeing 🙂
 
Re: What not to start nowadays.

This isn't really a 'guide' at all. This is just dotDavid stating his opinion of 'overused' genres and why.

-And yes, I disagree with his overall opinion. He has valid, factual reasons, but this topic is not helpful to any Admin in any way. It is hindering and could easily scare away a future Admin.

No Admin should be discouraged from making a forum, no matter what the genre. If you don't want to join simply because of the genre, then don't join.


Anyway, as a forum 'member', I can say I disagree with not joining a forum due to a genre. For example, one of them, gaming, I will never stop joining new forums for. Frankly, I don't care how many (for example) Nintendo forums are made, I would be happy to join them all. No forum is identical and the topics will be slightly different at each forum, no matter if they are the generic 'What did you last play topic.'


To be honest, if I was an aspiring Admin, I would ignore this post completely. If you want to make a graphics, gaming, promotion or general discussion forum, then go ahead and do it. Prove folks like dotDavid wrong.
 
Re: What not to start nowadays.

Thank you fanta. Its nice to see another side. Never did I say it was a guide, like you mentioned. Like I said:
Lastly, I must tell you this is not something official. Its like a memoir, just telling you the experiences of forum/Internet life. I don't expect you to agree, but I expect you to respect differing views.
In my post, I clearly mentioned why, and I also never said you shouldn't make it (if I did, well...), I clearly said what is overdone.

It is hindering and could easily scare away a future Admin.
I have also made comments regarding that (I'm pretty sure).

But then again, that is just your opinion, and I will always respect that. But, I didn't really like this comment:
Prove folks like dotDavid wrong.
Folks, eh? I'm 5 years old, did you know? 😛 j/k

Thanks.
 
Re: What not to start nowadays.

dotDavid said:
Thank you fanta. Its nice to see another side. Never did I say it was a guide, like you mentioned. Like I said:
Lastly, I must tell you this is not something official. Its like a memoir, just telling you the experiences of forum/Internet life. I don't expect you to agree, but I expect you to respect differing views.
In my post, I clearly mentioned why, and I also never said you shouldn't make it (if I did, well...), I clearly said what is overdone.

It is hindering and could easily scare away a future Admin.
I have also made comments regarding that (I'm pretty sure).

But then again, that is just your opinion, and I will always respect that. But, I didn't really like this comment:
Prove folks like dotDavid wrong.
Folks, eh? I'm 5 years old, did you know? 😛 j/k

Thanks.
5yr olds are still folk. xD

But yes, I totally respect your opinion too, dotDavid. However, it just seemed that with a topic title like "What not to start nowadays", you're pretty much telling any aspiring Admin to not become an Admin. Being an Admin isn't some 'exclusive club' and, like I said before, nobody should be discouraged from it otherwise.
 
Re: What not to start nowadays.

Took some time for me to read this but this is a great guide. Thanks for sharing.
 
Thank you DevilKid.

Note, I changed the title to suit Fanta 🙂
 
The fact is that there are too many promotion forums out there already. I think that is why so many get closed after only a few months. What you have to realize is that you need advertising to make a promotion forum popular right? Well, how are you supposed to back up your services of "get more activity quickly by advertising here" mentality if no one is there to see the forum in the first place?

This forum is popular and gets posts because it has been around a long time and lot of people know of its services. To me, I wouldn't join a promotion site unless that forum was really active and a lot of people were viewing the threads. I've read a lot of people on here say that certain forums copy other forums and that's not a good thing. And then other people say that "uniqueness" can be the "death" of the board. So which is better, being unique, or copying everyone else? 😉
 
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